ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Alovia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hate what they did to season 2 toward the end...... I forsee not really liking season 3 (based on spoilers).... but damnit I cannot force myself to NOT watch it.

please elaborate what u are referring to from season 2. as far as season 3, the only thing not included that i've heard is they are delaying the martells til season 4 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but some stuff needs to be cut due to either it would ruin stuff for readers (ie Neds dreams in season one) or they didnt wanna spend a truckton of cash on one scene that wouldnt be used again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazortag]

As someone who has only read ~300 or so pages of the first book, but is a big fan of the show, I have to say that deviating from the books like they have is not a good idea. My wife has read the books and is quick to tell me when something in the show isn't canon, but usually I can tell because those scenes are written badly. When they add dialogue or situations that weren't in the books, the actors' performances just seem more awkward and the writing isn't great (for example, many of the scenes where daenerys is in qarth, and the conversations between arya and tywin). Having not even read the books I find myself really wishing the writers didn't change so many things unnecessarily.

[goalie]

Spoiler:


John Snow is a targaryean...


Can't wait for books 6 and 7 ! Write faster GRRM you fucker.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As someone who has only read ~300 or so pages of the first book, but is a big fan of the show, I have to say that deviating from the books like they have is not a good idea. My wife has read the books and is quick to tell me when something in the show isn't canon, but usually I can tell because those scenes are written badly. When they add dialogue or situations that weren't in the books, the actors' performances just seem more awkward and the writing isn't great (for example, many of the scenes where daenerys is in qarth, and the conversations between arya and tywin). Having not even read the books I find myself really wishing the writers didn't change so many things unnecessarily.

the only change i really did like better was that they had Jaime and Ned get into a tiff, instead of some horse falling on Ned and breaking his leg.

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spoiler: John Snow is a targaryean...Can't wait for books 6 and 7 ! Write faster GRRM you fucker.

old news^^ :P

pretty much everyone in this thread agrees that R+L=J



i've decided that "the mummer's dragon" does not imply a fake dragon, or that Aegon is a fake tagaryen, but that its a form of ownership. ie: the dragon that belongs to the mummer.
and that leads me to think that Illyrio is the mummer.

huzzah!

[fullmetalcoxman]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've decided that "the mummer's dragon" does not imply a fake dragon, or that Aegon is a fake tagaryen, but that its a form of ownership. ie: the dragon that belongs to the mummer.
and that leads me to think that Illyrio is the mummer.

huzzah!

Or Tyrion's dragon, since Tyrion was literally a mummer, for a little while at least. Why would Illyrio get one?

[Alovia]

Ok this is just what i can remember off the top of my head.

They litterally changed Dany's story.....not only that. but changed how her housemaids were and reacted... stupid, and not needed.

I just hated how they did not show acurate visions when Dany was in the House of the Undying. (Somethign that forshadows several other themes)

I just felt they undermined much of the Stark family (not too important, but I feel this family is the focus family and they did not even developt them to much).

My personal favorite character Arya... .just left out her baddassness.

Im not sure if its a bad thing. But Tywin and Arya BARELY intereact in the book....maybe a couple of times. But in the TV series they almost had a relationship.

Theon's entire personality is completely different than the book.

Ygritte... like the entire relationship with her.

Pretty much everything about Margaery Tyrell

Robbs realation ship with Talisa.... what the hell is up with that. Lets not only change the character who it was in the book. BUt lets make this person a nobody. At least Jayne was a noblewoman. This is so stupid and it litterally changes everything about how I felt about Robb.

The fact they changed character names because they felt the adience is to stupid.... or at least could not figure them out just boggles my mind..

Now I know they had an interview a few months ago with the producers and they all said how the changes for season 2 were needed, and everything was ran by GRRM blah blah. AND i understand that somethings need to be changed from book-tv.

But I felt they litterally changed who some of the characters ARE, who later in the series play vital roles.

Margeary, Arya, JON for that matter.

I dunno... I got frustrated with the end of season 2. And while I am looking forward to season 3, Im not sure I agree with what the producers have planed for book 3 and 4..... i feel they are just buying time for GRRM.

Not only that, GRRM is pissing me off.

When Robert Jordan died in 2007, he had given his vision for the WoT series to a friend of his. That way when he died the 60+ year old story can be finished.

GRRM already stated that ASoIAF dies with him. He is 64, in poor health, and at the rate is he writing, we can expect the next book 2015.

He is already worried that Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring may not be enough to see the end of what his vision is....so their may be a book AFTER Dream of Spring

With him taking a TON of side jobs, and screen writes, it will be a miricle for us to see the end of this series either a) before 2025, or b) before he dies.

The biggest thing that frustrates me about the TV show changing things is GRRM himself.
Since 1998 fans have been wanting him to turn GoT into a movie. He stated for many many years that he NEVER would do it, because his characters are so intertwined and complex that it woudl undermine everything he worked to create.

Now I think GoT both the book and the TV series are great. But thats exactly what the TV series is doing. undermining his work...



Unfortunally im a huge ASoIAF fan... and I will watch, and buy the blu-ray of all seasons of GoT...... but I can still hate the difference =)

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Alovia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok this is just what i can remember off the top of my head.

They litterally changed Dany's story.....not only that. but changed how her housemaids were and reacted... stupid, and not needed.

I just hated how they did not show acurate visions when Dany was in the House of the Undying. (Somethign that forshadows several other themes)

I just felt they undermined much of the Stark family (not too important, but I feel this family is the focus family and they did not even developt them to much).

My personal favorite character Arya... .just left out her baddassness.

Im not sure if its a bad thing. But Tywin and Arya BARELY intereact in the book....maybe a couple of times. But in the TV series they almost had a relationship.

Theon's entire personality is completely different than the book.

Ygritte... like the entire relationship with her.

Pretty much everything about Margaery Tyrell

Robbs realation ship with Talisa.... what the hell is up with that. Lets not only change the character who it was in the book. BUt lets make this person a nobody. At least Jayne was a noblewoman. This is so stupid and it litterally changes everything about how I felt about Robb.

The fact they changed character names because they felt the adience is to stupid.... or at least could not figure them out just boggles my mind..

Now I know they had an interview a few months ago with the producers and they all said how the changes for season 2 were needed, and everything was ran by GRRM blah blah. AND i understand that somethings need to be changed from book-tv.

But I felt they litterally changed who some of the characters ARE, who later in the series play vital roles.

Margeary, Arya, JON for that matter.

I dunno... I got frustrated with the end of season 2. And while I am looking forward to season 3, Im not sure I agree with what the producers have planed for book 3 and 4..... i feel they are just buying time for GRRM.

Not only that, GRRM is pissing me off.

When Robert Jordan died in 2007, he had given his vision for the WoT series to a friend of his. That way when he died the 60+ year old story can be finished.

GRRM already stated that ASoIAF dies with him. He is 64, in poor health, and at the rate is he writing, we can expect the next book 2015.

He is already worried that Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring may not be enough to see the end of what his vision is....so their may be a book AFTER Dream of Spring

With him taking a TON of side jobs, and screen writes, it will be a miricle for us to see the end of this series either a) before 2025, or b) before he dies.

The biggest thing that frustrates me about the TV show changing things is GRRM himself.
Since 1998 fans have been wanting him to turn GoT into a movie. He stated for many many years that he NEVER would do it, because his characters are so intertwined and complex that it woudl undermine everything he worked to create.

Now I think GoT both the book and the TV series are great. But thats exactly what the TV series is doing. undermining his work...



Unfortunally im a huge ASoIAF fan... and I will watch, and buy the blu-ray of all seasons of GoT...... but I can still hate the difference =)

they did do lotsa changes to Dany's story, i keep forgetting that. they couldnt actually show all the visions, ie: the vision of Robb. i think they make the starks important. is it all about them? no. but as far as the north goes, thats the only family really getting any face time. but the "focus" is the tagaryen family, and the "dragons". yea they did change up Arya at Harren Hall as well. Theon is a douchebag in both, so meh. Ygritte and Jon bump uglys all the time in the book, and whats different about margaery? shes still a power hungry cersei wanna be.

i 100% agree about robbs wife. her family is important to the story! was plotting with lannisters etc etc. so pissed off about Asha's name being changed. was Jeyne Poole even in season 1?

as far as GRRM dieing, he did reveal the end to HBO - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-HBO-producers

GRRM has announced that if he dies or is overtaken by the TV show before the release of all his books (3-5 years a book for at least 2 double volumes), HBO knows his intented ending for ASOIAF.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/gee...book-six/10018

"We were relieved to learn that he knows the end and has shared it with the HBO producers, because, as Martin succinctly put it “the fans are very worried about (knowing the ending) in case I get hit by a truck.” To our great relief, he did offer a glimmer of hope for desperate fans in an October 7, 2012 interview, when he commented that he would like to publish the sixth book in the series in 2014, albeit while admitting that only 400 pages were complete at the time of the interview."

so things are at least not over for the show if he dies before he finishes the books [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whats different about margaery? shes still a power hungry cersei wanna be

You didn't know that she had any real aspirations of her own until much, much later in the books. At the beginning she seemed like nothing more than a pawn being passed around for political gain, like the daughters of other houses. It was a real "oh, shit son" moment for me in the books when it's revealed just how much she has been pulling strings all along. They completely took that element of her character away and just have her openly power hungry.

[Sirken]

oh, i have always had feelings about Margaery. granted i also have always felt the QoT is the one pulling the strings in the family, but that doesnt mean Margaery doesn't have aspirations. the hoe went from Renly to Joffery to Tommen.... i smell a gold digger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

8 days and 3 hrs from now

/drool