Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[Otsego]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say "trivial" meaning, anyone with 1-2 friends can do this, a solo artist has it on a hard difficulty for a reason.

Wait, so you self admit you have it on hard difficulty for a reason, but you also simultaneously want the rules changed to suit you? So you don't want hard difficulty.. ? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Otsego]

Originally Posted by Lynch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a lot of conflicting requests in OP. The content is trivial, yet when you had the camp and were 'pressured' into clearing the room (which, on blue, is the rule to maintain camp) and you had to cap. You want to solo content, but play an mmo. You're a 'solo artist' but refuse to suffer for your art.

This is what I don't understand. There seems to be an unsaid motive with this proposal. If I had to guess I would say it would be to spite the Good Guys teams (which OP has talked negatively about quite a lot, while not saying the same things toward the Castle team, even though they seem to be doing the 24 hour camp thing OP doesn't like).

Originally Posted by Lynch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think is going to happen if the rule gets turned into rolls? "Hey guys I just want to solo her, you can log off" sorry that happened recently on blue, and that guild got SUCH a stern warning.

What's sad is OP is entirely blinded to the fact that this proposal would prevent anyone going forward from being able to complete a Solo Artist challenge for Drusella Sathir. Since there would always be people wanting to roll and kill her the moment she spawns every day going forward.

That, actually, may be the saddest realization I've now had while reading this thread.

OP cares a lot about Solo Artist, but is dooming anyone that comes after OP.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Otsego [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what I don't understand. There seems to be an unsaid motive with this proposal. If I had to guess I would say it would be to spite the Good Guys teams (which OP has talked negatively about quite a lot, while not saying the same things toward the Castle team, even though they seem to be doing the 24 hour camp thing OP doesn't like).

What's sad is OP is entirely blinded to the fact that this proposal would prevent anyone going forward from being able to complete a Solo Artist challenge for Drusella Sathir. Since there would always be people wanting to roll and kill her the moment she spawns every day going forward.

That, actually, may be the saddest realization I've now had while reading this thread.

OP cares a lot about Solo Artist, but is dooming anyone that comes after OP.

Otsego, I think you’ve missed a crucial point. My investigation into the Blue URN system has shown that it actually promotes the ideal conditions for a Solo Artist attempt on DS. With less pressure from outside groups and a more organized approach, the camp can fully spawn, allowing for a genuine solo challenge, something that’s far from doomed.

In fact, this system might be better suited for Solo Artists than a random roll, and that’s part of why I’ve been looking into it, as I’ve mentioned in my previous posts. My goal has always been to find a solution that benefits everyone, and the Blue URN system could be just that.

It’s also worth pointing out the overwhelming hypocrisy in your accusations of "doom," "manipulation," and "scare tactics," while your own arguments (and phrasing) have been heavy on generating fear about changes that could benefit the broader community.

If you need more clarification or have questions, feel free to message me directly. Otherwise, I’d suggest moving on from cherry-picking sentences out of the last 19 pages and focusing on the broader issue at hand.

[Otsego]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Otsego, I think you’ve missed a crucial point. My investigation into the Blue URN system has shown that it actually promotes the ideal conditions for a Solo Artist attempt on Drusella Sathir. With less pressure from outside groups and a more organized approach, the camp can fully spawn, allowing for a genuine solo challenge, something that’s far from doomed.

I would agree that a structured merit-based system would be the ideal condition for a solo artist challenge. As that's what we are currently seeing within our own group.

My reply is based on your proposal in this post, where you want a /random system like Angry

Sounds like you need to create a new proposal. Or just join into the existing URN structure - which has an existing thread.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Otsego [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would agree that a structured merit-based system would be the ideal condition for a solo artist challenge. As that's what we are currently seeing within our own group.

My reply is based on your proposal in this post, where you want a /random system like Angry

Sounds like you need to create a new proposal. Or just join into the existing URN structure - which has an existing thread.

Correct, and that is something I've now mentioned a few times. Once I have more information I'll ask to get the thread locked or closed if that system seems to be the better alternative.

[RubixRex]

wow strange

all the people with primal loot and monopoly on everything worthwhile don't want rules to change

weird

[Duik]

Jesus Haytch Christ.

[berbax]

Update on the Situation:

I’m currently taking a closer look at Blue’s URN system and speaking with them to gather more details. This system may serve as an alternative to the /random system, which seems to have worked out for them. Based on the feedback so far, many (not all) of the "No" votes appear to come from the following groups:

1. GG players involved in the DS camp.
2. Urn sellers (likely associated with GG, though it’s hard to confirm).
3. Members of Blue’s URN group who don’t want to see changes that could impact their system.
4. Unknowns, including some new accounts that were recently created for the forums. There's even one that looks like it might be a bot account voting.

Given the interest in not disrupting Blue’s system (and considering that the URN setup on Blue seems to align with efforts Kingdom has tried to implement), I’ll be investigating this further. I’ll update here with more information as I learn more.

[rjw513]

Cool, tysm for making Norrath a better world

Can a 60 Paladin with ec gear break into HS ent, maybe even solo a few in the easy wings?

[zelld52]

Welp now every raid target is DS rules. See what ya did?