almost 80 people in fear

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wouldn't the guild that broke fear and was currently clearing the trash mobs so they could move around and engage raid targets have the first rights to attempt Draco? Or on this server can a competing guild take advantage of another guild's plane-break and clearing of trash mobs and start clearing TT's to prep for Draco?

Seems like the winning strategy is to let another guild do all the work breaking/clearing and then while they're occupied with that, bring in your raid force for the juicy stuff?

Kinda sucks if that's the case. Just trying to understand so I know whether to bother playing and leveling up here or not.

Don't let all this discourage you. There are plans in the works to resolve the situation. You WILL have fun at hi-end on P99.

[YendorLootmonkey]

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[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by Finawin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, that stuff did happen. The sheer amount of retarded shit flooding from the cocksheath that is your mouth is fucking staggering.

It is very apparent you did not play back on live, or didn't play in a competitively raiding guild.

Guilds were always leapfrogging each other, ksing, training, etc.

You would know this, and about enchanters charming trash to down raid targets with ever increasingly shrinking raid sizes, had you been there.

Stop gaslighting the past. It's very apparent you're talking out of your ass and have no idea wtf you are talking about. This type of behavior was never encouraged or accepted by SOE. I know what their policies are/were concerning this shit. You don't. If a guild did the work to clear the mobs in a zone towards a boss, some guild full of sick bastards weren't allowed to just barge in the zone and attempt to take the kill. If that guild trained/killstole there was action taken against them. SOE was well aware how this type douchebaggery could ruin their game. It wasn't UO you moron.

If that shit happened there was GM action. People were suspended/banned for the shit your guild pulls on a daily basis. Guilds were disbanded over that shit. That doesn't happen here, even when your guild full of weirdos is caught red handed purposely KSING and training people, no action is taken.

Guilds generally respected zone rights. They didn't park afk druids in the zone that would summon a guild full of weirdos to try and leapfrog/KS as soon as a boss popped on track. Your guild doesn't respect anything. You guys are just douchebags. It's disturbing how full retard you people over this 10 year old content.

We're talking about a guild actively clearing a zone with a boss. Another guild didn't zone and try to KS/leapfrog it like you freaks do here all the time. There would be mass petitions and GMs would become involved.

Planar trash wasn't charmed and turned into main tanks on raids during vanilla EQ either. We're talking mobs that can triple for 130+ hasted easy. It's laughable that you would try to pander this lie. The charm mechanics on this server are broken and have trivialized the content. This is common knowledge and your guild has exploited these mechanics since day one.

But you guys are "serious business" and "breaking new ground" in the MMO on an emu server with 10 year old content or something. We're all supposed to be impressed by whatever it is you weirdos are trying to prove.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And hasbin I know about the "at the target" thing; if FB had 500 in the zone and were over at north wall, they weren't at the target.

They were along the southwest edge of the firewall, not at the traditional draco stage, but there were no mobs between them and draco. Trust me dude, it pains me to back up FB, but this is truth. Divinity was also in position, WNW and within spitting distance of the traditional spot, with no mobs between them and draco. IB was far to the southwest, closer to the fetid house, still dealing with the tents they pulled. I know all this because I was snuck on the north ramp of the bridge (above the traditional draco spot), watching it all go down. Common sense would dictate that FB (who cleared all the mobs between them and draco first) would have claim to the target. A literal interpretation of the rules would dictate that divinity was the first guild to have a clear path to pull draco (thus being "at the target" first). IB was not even in the running. FB tried to engage and got adds so feigned (not at the target). Barfight engaged cleanly (at the target), but got feared and died. FB re-engaged at that point, with no adds (at the target), but started to wipe. This would have left divinity with the mob (at the target first, and with common sense logic, 2nd in line), but IB decided they wanted the mob and ran up from way back in the SW to try for a blatant KS, presumably leading Rogean to depop the mob.

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, I wasn't there

I was. So was Rogean. That he backed FB up should speak to you. I think in this situation, there was enough confusion to understand why no punishments have been meted out, but this is what went down. As to why he left up the second draco.. Eh, who can fathom the mind of Rogean? I honestly just hope that on Thursday you guys can hammer something solid out so that situations like this don't happen again.

[jkfranklin]

not this shit again

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have rules for Draco's 'at the target' even been defined?

No. However, I would think that common sense indicates that it means "no mobs between you and the target," barring some other agreement (which doesn't currently exist).

That's just my opinion, and I honestly don't think that kind of interpretation is ethical, because FB had cleared all the mobs between them and draco before anyone else, and I think that should be worth something. However, we're not really dealing with an ethical group of people here, so you have to do what you can right?

Anyone else have a better interpretation of "at the target?"

[Ektar]

Hasbin pal, you're the only person I can actually have an exchange with and not have someone respond with retarded illogical crap. In light of that, I'm not gonna argue here cuz someone is just gonna take something I say and make a claim that makes no sense and makes me and IB look bad.

[Finawin]

Reinforcing the point that you have no idea what you're talking about with a wall of text, priceless.

GMs rarely did dick about anything because they were so rarely around, ever. GMs DID intervene on these situations, but to say that because they did sometimes that this type of shit never occurred? Retarded.

Side note, my favorite GM staff member of any game to date is Vinshayr The Pumpkin from Nameless. He didn't take shit from guilds doing that shit.

[Armin34]

You wern't even there Ektar, so shut your mouf

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasbin pal, you're the only person I can actually have an exchange with and not have someone respond with retarded illogical crap. In light of that, I'm not gonna argue here cuz someone is just gonna take something I say and make a claim that makes no sense and makes me and IB look bad.

Hey I appreciate that Ektar, and it's mutual. I would be happy to talk to you in private if you want more details of what went down..