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Old 09-20-2013, 03:22 PM
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Engels “was definitely opposed to the use of insurrectionary methods by the working class under modern conditions. Armed revolt and barricade battles were regarded by him as obsolete and foredoomed to disastrous failure. He condemned them as sheer lunacy”;
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:23 PM
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Marx's thesis is not that communism would occur within nations naturally. Again, you're an idiot, and if you want to argue about marx, I suggest you first read Das Kapital. There are free versions of Das Kapital on the internet that are paginated and availabe in PDF form. So shut the fuck up until you read it.

The bulk of his thesis is that current society is a class conflict in which capital originates in exploitation and taking value created by labor, and once it exists it creates more capital and becomes more and more concentrated into the hands of the few. Those few then maintain exploitation and create the idea that investment>labor. It has nothing to do remotely with what you're talking about
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:27 PM
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value created by labor
lol @ marx.
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:24 PM
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It's not from the manifesto you idiot, it's from an Essay Entitled "The State and Revolution"
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:26 PM
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It's not from the manifesto you idiot, it's from an Essay Entitled "The State and Revolution"
The State and Revolution (1917), by Vladimir Lenin


totally marx bro
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:28 PM
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It's not from the manifesto you idiot, it's from an Essay Entitled "The State and Revolution"
Which further will in shorter terms help you not sift through 500 pages.

Also last page of Manifest: The communists disdain to conceal their views and aim. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The Communists have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:25 PM
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haha you're outted as a total commie, and you're afraid of guns.. my original point proven!!
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:31 PM
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Every interpretation of that sentence, from Lenin to contemporary scholars believe it to be violent. So much so that Schaff said it's become trivial linking it to violence because it's a given
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:32 PM
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Anyways total tangent, but fact is, the father of communist theory believed communism was born from guns
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:33 PM
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Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun -Mao
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