TAK project.

[Torven]

Hmm, I didn't realize our forum 'total players' number included bazaar mules. That's kind of depressing. At least we list the bazaar count so you know how many of those are mules.

There are other reasons for the population disparities. Having AAs vs. not having AAs is significant. P2002 also is using p99's fame to their advantage. Rob had considered that name years ago but didn't want to 'leech' from p99's success in that way. TAKP devs also don't shill our server. Most users can't tell if mob stats were pulled out of somebody's ass or carefully parsed, either. I'm sure many p02 users found that server first due to the shilling and the name, and didn't realize TAKP existed until later (if at all); but once you invest the time to a server it's difficult to switch.

I agree that boxing is likely limiting our overall population. This cannot be changed without dramatically alienating our existing users so it's just not going to happen.

[Raev]

There is nothing wrong with what you guys are doing now if it makes you happy. I am only trying to help Torven, who complained earlier that TAKP has a relatively low population despite its high quality implementation. I can understand wanting more people to enjoy the huge amount of development work.

Also, I am not proposing limiting boxing on the current TAKP server instance. You'd have to launch a new server instance, like P99 Red and Blue. That way both groups of players (and developers) can be satisfied.

P.S. I manually added TAKP's forum player + bazaar mules counts.

[Torven]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you played on AK despite the client, not because of it. Same here.

I actually prefer TAKP's client to all others. Titanium comes with the new tradeskill UI (yuck) melody (very not classic and OP) no human night blindness, farther underwater vision etc. Removing some of that is possible (and only because Haynar later joined us) but I still prefer our client. I never used mousewheel camera.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing wrong with what you guys are doing now if it makes you happy.

To be honest I was kind of crushed when 3 boxing barely won out over 2 in our vote, because it meant I wasn't going to play on the server I have now spent 5 years of my life working on. (lately I have played a tiny bit, but not very much) Even if I were made server dictator at this point, I wouldn't change the limit though. Boxing aside, I'm very pleased with the quality of our product.

There is nothing wrong with being in the minority that wants a boxing server, but my strong preference is limited to 2 or 1. Back when this was being discussed, the community had come from AK and PEQ where no limits existed, so they really weren't even thinking much about it and the possibility of no limit at all for TAKP was significant. As I recall, I was the one who brought the issue to discussion. I'm fairly sure 2 boxes would have won had they known what they know now.

[Linkamus]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm fairly sure 2 boxes would have won had they known what they know now.

Which is why I don't think there would be a massive uproar if it was change to two. Sure some people might be upset. But I hardly think it would cause an exodus. In fact it could potentially bring more players.

Back then I voted for 3, and I regret it now. As much as I love playing my trio for exp / questing, I think two is a better balance for the raid scene.

[Haynar]

If you are into trying to make urself depressed. Go look at numbers on a wow emu. But be careful. Might slit ur own wrists.

[Torven]

Haynar loves 3 boxes

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Torven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haynar loves 3 boxes

Make whole server single box. Let me 3 box and do my own thing, and I won't care. I would even agree to always single box if I raid or group with others.

[Llandris]

Haynar is a masochist

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haynar is a masochist

Only a little

[Torven]

Haynar, I swear to you on my porn collection that I'm not organizing a 2-box coup