Thoughts on reincarnation

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by renordw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I am saying is that it's not the fact that you have energy that makes you a person, hell a car battery has fucktons more energy than you do.

I wouldn't try to get him upset and cause any chain reactions, he has like over 10 billion billion hydrogen atoms in him, each one with enough energy locked inside to power a 60 watt light bulb for a fraction of a second. He's like a walking death star. If you only knew the power of the darkside!

That many hydrogen atoms and he's not even really solid! some 7 billion billion billion atoms in all and far-faaar from densely packed so that you should be able to pass your hand right through him. Synapses of the brain? There are bigger mysteries. Life is impossible.

[renordw]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Synapses of the brain? There are bigger mysteries. Life is impossible.

The crux of the issue is that we can't understand the complexity of our brains because we are using those same brains to try to understand that complexity. So it will always seem mysterious, but it really isn't.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by renordw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The crux of the issue is that we can't understand the complexity of our brains because we are using those same brains to try to understand that complexity. So it will always seem mysterious, but it really isn't.

Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic.

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic.

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

Can also add that our brains filter out information not necessary for survival, usually. I forget the study, but some years back there was a study done on schizophrenics that found that many of the huallucinations were actual stimuli not perceptable to others in the room.

[renordw]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shouldn't matter. You are thinking along the lines of a silicone based computer. Man has a biological computer, far superior to any silicone based supercomputer in existence today, even beyond quantum computing. The problem is not computing power or storage capacity, it's about programming. You need to program the computer to begin to understand something, to be purposed for the specific task at hand.

Any computer is just a doorstop without programming, and biological computers are no different. Even layers of programming just like a silicon based computer; this is likely how the human brain functions. From low level programming to high level programming. From hardware, to BIOS, to firmware, to OS, to applications etc. Just like you don't sit there and concentrate on breathing, or run a self-diagnostic program (that you likely have) to realize you have a pain in your back, that's all taken care of by the different levels of programming in the human brain and body.

And then the level of the soul is yet another level of programming, rides above it all as the highest level, the actual user interface. We are data, and that doesn't mean nothing because data actually exists with all of it's physical properties. Just like people joke about pixels on a screen, but that data physically exists and we simply see a representation of that data in an understandable form to us, to our higher levels of programming and I/O recognition.

In fact the whole universe is just data at the quantum level, just like the digital representation they realize is on a black hole, of everything inside of it (i.e. Black hole information paradox). Some theorize that it is not just with black holes, but that all data is also written on the boundary of our universe, of everything inside.

They are still trying to figure it out,Hawking with his latest revelation this year, but then they could be looking at it backwards. Maybe the data is the actual source form, and the perceived physical matter is the perception by our I/O interpretation. After all, matter seems to defy our known understanding of what matter actually is, so that space seemingly becomes filled with matter, even though there are great distances from atom to atom. It's almost like trying to cut a hologram with a scalpel, if you could you'd just find the same hologram inside, and again and again, because it's not the source data, it's not the authentic.

So when trying to truly understand brain synapses, it's not a failure of our processing capacity of the brain, but that we must first understand how to look at the problem with it's many factors. At best all we can do is build simulated models based on a level of hacking what exists, to backwards engineer it in modification form (we can't even create mater only repurpose it). That's not a failure of processing power, but that of a user vs a software engineer, or specifically the one that designed the system in the first place. Heck, with what understanding of the system we have, we can't even figure out how a bumble bee flies, it defies everything we know. There is far more going on than we perceive.

I'm following everything that you're saying, until you start talking about the soul. The concept of a soul is just emergent from all of the synaptic activity in the brain, and it feels special to us because we experience it subjectively. Just because we can't understand it doesn't mean that there's anything mystical to it, it means that it's complex.

What I am saying is this: I don't believe in a soul, or even free will. The processes that go into decision making and consciousness are so complex, that we don't understand them and we attribute mysticality, consciousness, or free will to what we can't explain.

[entruil]

My grandma used to say that when you see a butterfly it's the soul of a loved one who passed on visiting you. Now, I don't believe that, but I think of her whenever I see a butterfly. /shrug

[rubberdoor]

I also think that Vedic hymns, or mantras, have roots in psilocybin as well. I can't seem to find anything online, but I remember reading in Terence McKenna's book "True Hallucinations", that by making certain vocal inflections after consuming these mushrooms, one could induce a higher state of consciousness or even communicate with other beings. In simple terms, your vocal inflections and chanting could increase the intensity of the trip. His brother Dennis explains this in neurological terms. For me to explain it myself would be idiocy due to my lack of understanding.

[kvlt]

I believe in that shit.

[Blitzers]

Imagine John Holmes being reincarnated as Pokesan, a short dicked fat kid... now that would be depressing...

[mickmoranis]

if life is a game next time im putting more points into "self starter" and less into "likes fantasy"