Awakened Banned 10 days

[maskedmelon]

Somehow I feel that it still ok to object to a cavity search even if I got nothing to hide. Ya know?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On P99 it has always been an arms race in the Tactics used to gain a competitive edge until you do something the staff isn't fond of and they smack you for it.

In this case, it appears manipulating FPS changes to jump better is a no go. Just like past guilds and players found out things like autofire spamming after CoTH or on a spawn point was a no go. Or using Shadow Step masks down slopes to guarantee a jump ahead was a no go. Or Rez boxing for FTE is a no go. Or binding near a spawn point is a no go. Or Lulling through a wall for a critical resist is a no go. Or corpsing DA Idols under Trakanon to stall him is a no go. Etc etc

That's just the nature of the competitive scene on P99. People/Guilds think of something creative (although in many cases extremely neckbeardy) and eventually it's deemed to be against the spirit of the rules and banned.

What would be nice though is every time Sirken rules on this, he updates the rules sticky in that forum. Cause what Chest said is certainly true. Taken/BDA competed without any real issue in VP while guilds were focusing on Velious and once a guild came back from Velious to contest VP all of a sudden the rules/standards that were expected during Kunark VP, which BDA and Taken had no experience with, were now law again and some 2012 ruling was pulled up to suspend a guild when it was posted no where.

And the feeble attempts at spinning has begun. Hjial has on multiple occasions clearly cheated now. Yet you come here trying to defend it. The cases you listed were just largely conjecture and unproven. The issues that weren't set the precedent for the rules in place. Rules Hjial has repeatedly broken. Go ahead though and support the cheating.

Of the rules broken you listed.

Taken/Awakened bound near a spawn and broke that rule
Taken/Awakened manipulated alt+tab to gain advantages
Taken/Awakened admitted to autofire use via Catherine in a fraps video

You guys want us to all believe it was "Just us keeping up with the competitive raid scene guys". Yet your players and members are consistently the ones breaking these rules. The suspensions and bans for these things by your guild is well documented. It seems only one guild consistently tries to push rules past their limit to the point of suspensions for sure. It is your guild.

[dafier]

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[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Detoxx, Mistin and Nalken aren't hiding anything then they should have no problem with making all of the FTE videos they hid this morning public again. Until that happens...

Sad just sad that you guys support cheaters in your guild and try to deflect blame on other people because you get caught cheating.

[Breaken]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

[maskedmelon]

To be fair, there is a valid point to be made about devising new strategies, most of specially when you try to develop a comprehensive rule set. People will reasonably assume that if it is not in the rules it must be ok! That is why you make fewer, more general rules. Intuitively people understand (for the most part) what is and is not acceptable. The more you try to narrow it, the more grey you introduce. The FPS deal is obviously exploiting game mechanics.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Sirken,

Please take note. The is probably the best post in this thread.

Miss you,

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is deflecting blame. We simply stated the fact that your guild, including your guild leader, does it also. But that probably wasn't mentioned in the petition. No worries, as we have these videos.

Then share the videos for everyone to see. This is just more posturing from a poorly run guild.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, there is a valid point to be made about devising new strategies, most of specially when you try to develop a comprehensive rule set. People will reasonably assume that if it is not in the rules it must be ok! That is why you make fewer, more general rules. Intuitively people understand (for the most part) what is and is not acceptable. The more you try to narrow it, the more grey you introduce. The FPS deal is obviously exploiting game mechanics.

Basically this.

Grey areas exist because of the mentality "if it isn't explicitly banned it's okay". That's been the petitionquest motto since the beginning. Lull pulling is one of those grey areas that was acceptable for awhile and then eventually ruled against the spirit of the rules.

Exploiting how FPS changes when tabbing to gain a lead is pretty clearly against the spirit of the rules. If hjial was the only one doing this and Awakened the only one benefiting it makes sense to suspend them.

[kotton05]

Thing is, the burden of proof has to be there and it's been proven awakened will cheat / train / rule lawyer anyone out of pixels if need be.

basically you guys are the lance armstong of p99. You've won your races/pixels but in the end you was cheating. All your wins don't mean shit now.

What's more interesting is how all the sudden they got proof of aftermath doing it but in the video you will prolly see awakened still breaking the rules so you won't post or use them if I had to bet[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] also Refer to unbrellas statute of limitations regarding petitions, you don't got shit.