Sir Lucan D'Lere - FTE or Camp?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How are these the same thing to you?

Because to the average player, tagging a mob they are camping a few seconds after it spawns is some shitty FTE sniping bullshit that assholes do.

[Samoht]

And you're just inconveniencing everybody else by letting a mob sit uncontested while you're AFK.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

inconveniencing

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[Samoht]

^ replace "life is hard" with "mob got tagged" and we're good to go.

[Rararboker]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ replace "life is hard" with "mob got tagged" and we're good to go.

New players, take note, this is what the average p99 scumbag looks like.

[Samoht]

Ad hominem attacks won't change the rules.

[Seltius]

Didn't read all of this but once upon a time there was a 5 minute window on camped mobs. I believe it was more out of courtesy than anything though I don't remember if there was ever an official ruling. But no you couldn't run in when a mob spawned and engage him because the person camping him didn't engage fast enough for you. That is FTE and they did rule that camped mobs were not FTE. Hadden was a perfect example. He spawns and someone runs in and kills before the person camping him can engage not allowed. I was out of the loop for little over a year but hoping the server hasn't digressed that much in that time. This thread isn't about raids either this is about camps. Raids should be about competition camps should be about being polite enough to know someone else has been sitting at that spawn for hours potentially and you should respect it.

Same with static VP key pieces and other mobs that have static or campable spawns.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But no you couldn't run in when a mob spawned and engage him because the person camping him didn't engage fast enough for you. That is FTE and they did rule that camped mobs were not FTE.

Yes, they should get a short grace period.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read all of this but once upon a time there was a 5 minute window on camped mobs. I believe it was more out of courtesy than anything though I don't remember if there was ever an official ruling.

The problem with a five minute window is that it's simply too long. I'd like to propose a scenario. You zone into LGuk and ask for a camp check. No one calls ASS/SUP, so you make your way there. You arrive at the camp and not only find a Necromancer feigned in the room, but the supplier is up! You send the Necromancer a tell, but he does not respond. What do? You wait 20 seconds, and still no reply. You are now within your full right to take the supplier and assume ownership of this camp.

Assume the same scenario, but you've got a tracker with you that tells you supplier is up on zone in. Still no response on camp check. Still no reply from Necromancer after 20 seconds after you get to the camp and find him FD. It's now your camp.

You have no way to know how long the supplier has been up in either scenario. Did the timer start when you saw it on track? Or when you confirmed it was up and uncontested at the camp? Even if the Necromancer in the camp knows how long ago it spawned, they could easily lie to you about the spawn time, so giving the entitled prick a five minute leeway is entirely too generous.

It's too much work for the rest of the server to keep track of your mobs for you. If you cannot hold down your camp and kill the spawns within a reasonable time frame, you have no claim to the camp. Time to move on, AFK Necromancer.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, they should get a short grace period.



The problem with a five minute window is that it's simply too long. I'd like to propose a scenario. You zone into LGuk and ask for a camp check. No one calls ASS/SUP, so you make your way there. You arrive at the camp and not only find a Necromancer feigned in the room, but the supplier is up! You send the Necromancer a tell, but he does not respond. What do? You wait 20 seconds, and still no reply. You are now within your full right to take the supplier and assume ownership of this camp.

Assume the same scenario, but you've got a tracker with you that tells you supplier is up on zone in. Still no response on camp check. Still no reply from Necromancer after 20 seconds after you get to the camp and find him FD. It's now your camp.

You have no way to know how long the supplier has been up in either scenario. Did the timer start when you saw it on track? Or when you confirmed it was up and uncontested at the camp? Even if the Necromancer in the camp knows how long ago it spawned, they could easily lie to you about the spawn time, so giving the entitled prick a five minute leeway is entirely too generous.

It's too much work for the rest of the server to keep track of your mobs for you. If you cannot hold down your camp and kill the spawns within a reasonable time frame, you have no claim to the camp. Time to move on, AFK Necromancer.

This. All of it.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you believe that the rules indicate that every single mob in the game should be a FTE snipefest?

It should be. If there's anything p99 needs to work on is its rule set. Players will find a way without gm intervention, always have, always will.

Got Lucan sniped because you didn't fte immediately? Lesson learned, engage faster.

the entitled attitude from returning/new players is truly through the roof.