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Rhambuk · #31 05-06-2013, 11:28 AM

Gnomes could be paladins and sk's

came out the time halflings could be rangers and paladins I believe.

falkun · #32 05-06-2013, 11:44 AM

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that 40% xp penalty WILL scare some people away. If I was putting together a group (and I often do) I will pick a warrior over a pally/sk any day because you WILL notice that 40% penalty. Guaranteed. I actually avoid grabbing paladins or sk's if I can (this isn't to say I wont pick one up - I will, but only if my other tank options are exhausted). I have nothing against either class, it's just that my xp bar starts to crawl whenever we happen to pick one up. God forbid its a troll or iksar SK with that 60 something % penalty.. *shudder*

To play devil's advocate, I prefer paladins and shadow knight tanks as a bard. Especially pre-60 (when bard's get their 1min duration slow), I have to recast slow/snare every twist (~18seconds). Your average geared warrior (non-dragon haste, non-epic) consistently had a difficult time keeping aggro off me, while SKs and Pals could hold aggro without much effort. Now bard defensive stats/gear/STA:HP ratio are not as good as that of a warrior or SK/pal, so any time I'm tanking is inherently less efficient for the cleric than when the tank is tanking. I'm also going to get interrupted a hell of a lot more when I'm tanking.

Now all you min/max people may have realized your exp was moving slower with a 2nd hybrid in the group, I just realized that I was getting interrupted more, required more healing, and was less efficient at my job.

Vondra · #33 05-06-2013, 11:53 AM

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To play devil's advocate, I prefer paladins and shadow knight tanks as a bard. Especially pre-60 (when bard's get their 1min duration slow), I have to recast slow/snare every twist (~18seconds). Your average geared warrior (non-dragon haste, non-epic) consistently had a difficult time keeping aggro off me, while SKs and Pals could hold aggro without much effort. Now bard defensive stats/gear/STA:HP ratio are not as good as that of a warrior or SK/pal, so any time I'm tanking is inherently less efficient for the cleric than when the tank is tanking. I'm also going to get interrupted a hell of a lot more when I'm tanking.

Now all you min/max people may have realized your exp was moving slower with a 2nd hybrid in the group, I just realized that I was getting interrupted more, required more healing, and was less efficient at my job.

Was about to post the same thing from the enchanter point of view, same reason.

Much much MUCH preferred an SK tank over warrior while leveling, exp penalty be damned. At least on content where you've got to be on the ball with your CC.

Swish · #34 05-06-2013, 11:54 AM

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To play devil's advocate, I prefer paladins and shadow knight tanks as a bard. Especially pre-60 (when bard's get their 1min duration slow), I have to recast slow/snare every twist (~18seconds). Your average geared warrior (non-dragon haste, non-epic) consistently had a difficult time keeping aggro off me, while SKs and Pals could hold aggro without much effort. Now bard defensive stats/gear/STA:HP ratio are not as good as that of a warrior or SK/pal, so any time I'm tanking is inherently less efficient for the cleric than when the tank is tanking. I'm also going to get interrupted a hell of a lot more when I'm tanking.

Now all you min/max people may have realized your exp was moving slower with a 2nd hybrid in the group, I just realized that I was getting interrupted more, required more healing, and was less efficient at my job.

Yep can't knock it... as a cleric I much prefer a hybrid tank casually. Warriors are for raids unless they're insanely geared.

Bohab · #35 05-06-2013, 04:14 PM

I think a lot of this hate towards the Paladin on this server stems from a lack of experience with grouping with them since there's truly so few actively tanking high level groups.

Epic proc (155dmg dd & stun), secondary weapon proc Divine Might (65dmg dd), and 120+ dex lays down some very fine dps and aggro. Yaulp caps STR at 255 easily allowing for 192+ dmg swings. 41% sky belt + ench haste? Now you're really spitting out "leet" paladin DPS. In low 50s dwarf paladin can break 4k hp 1k ac (buffed) thanks to such great itemization. Stat wise the Paladin can get pretty damn solid.

Cycle the 90dmg & 60dmg stuns along with bash (can bash with FE & FD) & epic proc stun (very short stun but epic procs A LOT) you can keep mobs on spell lock down easily. Not to mention a slowed mob will hardly ever hit you...

583 hp heal... 800HP in self buffs... 58ac in self buffs... DA... 90% rez... loh... cancel magic... resist magic... 260+ undead nuke... pacify pulls... root CC... instant snap aggro... zomg paladin

Rhambuk · #36 05-06-2013, 04:29 PM

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I think a lot of this hate towards the Paladin on this server stems from a lack of experience with grouping with them

All of my paladin hate stems from grouping with them.

I played a rog on live those paladin stuns were the worst thing ever..
stun one, turn mob around to face rog. brilliant
stun to keep it face rog
okay fuck that run around the other side
mob turns back to the paladin run back around
stun 2 pushed the mob behind me..

and brells oh my god I cant tell you how many times paladins would cast brells on me after geting sot sop from a ranger and getting it overwritten, they would do it over and over just to be dicks.

Thankfully NONE of that exists here and never will. My hatred lives on though

Verenity · #37 05-06-2013, 04:39 PM

Speaking as both a cleric and a paladin, I love paladins as tanks for casual groups and usually prefer them over SK and warriors. This difference in hybrid tanking ability compared to warriors is especially pronounced in the lower levels when warriors (who are not twinked) have to rely on extensive itemization that they may not have the fund to get, leading to consistent loss of aggro. This need to heal the DPS dealers, CC, or healers in the group makes healing way less efficient. Plus the group-saving potential of LoH is so massively underrated. A paladin can heal an embattled enchanter to full much faster than the cleric can. It can also be used when you're on that final mob in a long and difficult fight and the healer is OOM. Or when the cleric is in trouble and can't get a heal off.
I love healing hybrid tanks and I love being a hybrid tank. Paladin was a great choice and I hope you have a great time on the server.

citizen1080 · #38 05-06-2013, 06:08 PM

Let me sum up all the posts in the thread for the OP.

Whatever you do, do not play a warrior.

The End

webrunner5 · #39 05-06-2013, 08:40 PM

I like a Warrior just like a Monk as a tank on my Cleric because of their damage mitigation. Lot easier to heal. Main problem with a Pally, and my only complaint, is their damage output pretty much sucks. So even more heals. I know a Warrior is not a huge DPS dealer either but give me a twinked big fat Ogre and I am happy. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I am not going to turn down a Pally or SK as a tank. All part of the holly trinity.

HeallunRumblebelly · #40 05-06-2013, 09:48 PM

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Let me sum up all the posts in the thread for the OP.

Whatever you do, do not play a warrior.

The End

If you play warrior, begin your career by begging. I think that's the real takeaway. Coupla yak clubs, coupla 5/55 rings, some random armors and boom, yer in.