(GM please read) Kanras: Removed extra tic from duration of most spells.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Albane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real issue with this "fix" is that now our DoTs are only ticking randomly between 1 and 2 times in PvP. At least before they would tick between 2 and 3 times.

I just used chant of flame yesterday on someone and it ticked three times. I didn't take a screenshot but it seemed to be working as intended.

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[kprobe]

Having played, raided, and pvp'd as a bard on live back in the 'old era(classic->velious)' I can confirm that mez and charm were longer 18 sec songs, whilst regular buffs were 12 sec.

Back in live it was difficult to get 4 twist because there was no extra time added for latency, which back then was usually 200ms+, leading to the experience steaks was talking about.

On red99 as it is currently, 4 twisting is np, its easier than it was in live.

As for dots, I'm actually unsure. Its hard to rely on subjective memory especially when its being clouded with emu experience. But I can say that there is a pvp issue. Not every time, but semi-often PVP ticks will miss and you'll only get 2 messages instead of 3. This inconsistency should be fixed, but I am unaware if this may be down to how ticks work.

[Lazortag]

I believe that sometimes if you're too far away you just don't get a message, but it still ticks. Anyways this is fairly easy to test.

Mez and charm were definitely not *longer* than 18 seconds in classic, though they may have been 3 ticks (or in charm's case a max of 3 ticks).

edit: oh I think I misread what you said. But yeah I think you're basically right.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by kprobe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having played, raided, and pvp'd as a bard on live back in the 'old era(classic->velious)' I can confirm that mez and charm were longer 18 sec songs, whilst regular buffs were 12 sec.

Back in live it was difficult to get 4 twist because there was no extra time added for latency, which back then was usually 200ms+, leading to the experience steaks was talking about.

On red99 as it is currently, 4 twisting is np, its easier than it was in live.

As for dots, I'm actually unsure. Its hard to rely on subjective memory especially when its being clouded with emu experience. But I can say that there is a pvp issue. Not every time, but semi-often PVP ticks will miss and you'll only get 2 messages instead of 3. This inconsistency should be fixed, but I am unaware if this may be down to how ticks work.

The charm durations are correct as it turns out, at least for this point in the timeline:

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May 30, 2001
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- Increased duration on Bard Charm songs to 18 seconds from 12 seconds.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2001-1.html

[kprobe]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The charm durations are correct as it turns out, at least for this point in the timeline:



http://everquest.allakhazam.com/hist...es-2001-1.html

Now that you mention it, it does seem like something they introduced in Velious, but it seems right, and in line with mez.

There are soo many bard changes that happened Kunark+ that are currently still in, lv 19 invis song having see invis, Jonathan's line of songs not requiring targets, Selo's not breaking root, or just broken things like Psalms not having DR/PR counters, charm/fear not in pvp. A lot of these things make sense, and are still in because they are truer to the classic 'vision' and balance, but now we're getting into the subjective already.

I'm curious what we'll settle with the 'vision' and for what time period? I'd argue the longer charm was intended (albeit quite later). But I'm finding personally the shorter charm to be more dependable in terms of timing.

Bards are generally great and functional on this box, but if we're gonna keep changing bards, let make sure we have some of the classic tools that work as intended hey? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazortag]

Actually some of those things are legitimate bugs. The Jonathan's line was changed on blue I think so it was also changed on red, but it used to require a target on here (fun fact: it used to also bug out and give people 180 points of rune). As for the psalms, that's also a bug and they took out the PR/DR counters only because there was a bug where it was removing ALL PR/DR counters, not just 1. But originally on p99 it gave a damage shield and uthgaard changed it to the more classic version we have now before kunark launched. And it hasn't been fixed since then probably because it isn't high priority, but it's been reported.

Basically what I'm saying is, don't assume everything has been changed on purpose.

edit: also I'm still unsure of what the targeted mez durations were in classic. I think those were always 3 ticks and nothing in the patch notes I read suggests they were ever changed (except song of twilight being night-only until a couple months after epics):

http://web.archive.org/web/200105220...ll.asp?Id=1009
http://web.archive.org/web/200105220...ll.asp?Id=1045
http://web.archive.org/web/200203082...Twilight&type=
http://web.archive.org/web/200107140...e+Strike&type=

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Kelgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps we got off on the wrong foot. When i say they last 4 tics, I mean they do 4 messages worth of damage, and mez/charm lasts for 18 seconds,

They are not supposed to do 4 messages worth of damage. I showed that they did 3 in classic. I showed this for every single dot except for Angstlich's Assonance, which lasts 10 ticks. Proof: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...98&postcount=1

http://web.archive.org/web/200106110...st=6&mode=list

http://web.archive.org/web/200010180...asp?Class=Bard

http://crys.org/everquest/spells/bar...k=1&maxrank=65

The last one isn't a classic source, but since durations were never shortened it's valid.

right now, mez/charm lasts for 12, which means you can keep 3 mobs mezed, or 1 mob charmed and 2 mezed.

Nope. I can keep 4 mobs mezzed at once, and I frequently do. Then again I am the best Bard to ever live, but this should be possible for anyone. By the way, mez duration didn't change with the patch, neither did regular buff duration.

Point is, you can, in regular eq, twist 4 songs without a song fading. Now, in red99, you can only do 3, that is a problem. this isn't new information, you could always twist 4 songs.

You can still twist 4 on p99. See my post above.

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