Bow damage formula?

[Snaggles]

Tolan arrows, Fleeting Quiver, SCHW’s, and a slow 2h (anything 50+ delay) will burn up highkeep. Los HP is the goal above all else.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tolan arrows, Fleeting Quiver, SCHW’s, and a slow 2h (anything 50+ delay) will burn up highkeep. Los HP is the goal above all else.

Yeah I have fungi/tolan's/seahorse belt and an AP (42/49). The next 2 step ups would be tantor's or Earthshaker but tantor's is worth almost as much as ES so might as well go for ES. Fleeting quiver is up next on the wishlist.

My bow skill is maxed but I mainly just pulled with it. Up to 48 I just face tanked unlimited WL panthers (33-37) basically so I never cared that much for bows but when I switched to CS wyverns (38-42) I could barely chain 2 if swarmcaller didn't proc early. Panthers have 2khp and wyverns 3k, which seemed some of the lowest in the 38-42 bracket. The 42-46 bracket seem to hover around 4.5khp so I'm bracing myself and I guess I'll have to be more creative.

According to the wiki HHK nobles are 38-42 too. I've avoided them because I was under the impression there weren't that many and it seems a very popular spot?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Snaggles PM'ed me with a similar question about archery, but more specifically about BFG. I'll post my initial findings reply here:

I did some initial research and a bit of testing. According to the EQEMU code, an archery attack uses the same function as a regular melee attack for the damage calculation. There is a switch case for archery to use DEX instead of STR, but idk if that applies to P99. The only thing I don't know is if p99 uses STR, DEX, or neither in the damage calculation.

This is probably why bows in the range slot still get the main hand damage bonus from whatever is in your primary hand, because it is using the same function for damage as melee calculations. My SK is indeed getting the 110 damage bonus from using a weighted axe on blue.

I looked at this video:

https://youtu.be/elAYmxcDOrM?si=y9Z4RbPvDFBs-a0W

And saw some damage numbers. The guy was using a UI that simplified his incomming text, so I am not sure if that was hiding if a hit was a crit or not.

He trueshotted with BFG. I believe his max damage without crit was around 346, and I think he crit for like 567 once.

Looking at my DPS calculator, these numbers are close to a Warrior who who is using a 59 damage 50 delay 1h weapon. I used Warrior instead of Ranger so I could see the crit number. This makes sense, as BFG with an 8 damage arrow would be (20 + 8) * 2.1 (trueshot multiplier) = 59 damage.

I do not know if the double damage for stationary targets thing when using archery exists on p99. I can't test it myself.

Under my current assumptions, you would calculate a BFG without trueshot and without stationary double damage as a 28/50 damage 1h weapon with bow crits basically.

This is just my initial, rough conclusion. Without my own Ranger to test this, I can't say this is true for sure. But according to my DPS calculator you'd get like 84 DPS with BFG + 8 Damage Arrows/Claw (no trueshot) and like 105 DPS with Baton/Claw. This isn't including bow crits, so BFG dps might go up to like 90ish DPS with crits. My calculator shows like a 5% boost to Warrior DPS with critical hits (not crippling blows).

With trueshot BFG does like 125 DPS not including crits.

Hope this helps!

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snaggles PM'ed me with a similar question about archery, but more specifically about BFG. I'll post my initial findings reply here:

If it is the melee formula then:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)
[Mod] is calculated as: ([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100

Do you know if Mod uses offense or archery?

If I guesstimate (210 + 215)/4 = 4.25 for my Mod @54

Then 12dmg bow, 5dmg arrow and an argent protector so 25dmg bonus

(4.25 x 17) + 25 = 97 max hit.

I'd have to double check but I'm not sure i've ever seen a 97dmg bow hit ever, highest has been mid 60s without crit but I'd have to reconfirm, haven't used bow extensively the last few levels. Am I missing something?

Using dext (110ish) instead of str gives a 80 max hit, probably much closer to the truth but a zillion people (one guy from my research?) reported bows use str so I don't know about that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it is the melee formula then:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)
[Mod] is calculated as: ([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100

Do you know if Mod uses offense or archery?

If I guesstimate (210 + 215)/4 = 4.25 for my Mod @54

Then 12dmg bow, 5dmg arrow and an argent protector so 25dmg bonus

(4.25 x 17) + 25 = 97 max hit.

I'd have to double check but I'm not sure i've ever seen a 97dmg bow hit ever, highest has been mid 60s without crit but I'd have to reconfirm, haven't used bow extensively the last few levels. Am I missing something?

Using dext (110ish) instead of str gives a 80 max hit, probably much closer to the truth but a zillion people (one guy from my research?) reported bows use str so I don't know about that.

Yeah the question I haven't answered is if bows use STR, DEX, or neither for the damage calculation. If your parses show that you never hit for higher than 80, my guess is STR isn't used for bows specifically.

In the EQEMU code they have a specific exception for bows to use DEX instead of STR. Since that special exception is already in place, it wouldn't be difficult to modify the special exception to use neither STR or DEX for bows on P99.

My SK at 68 Archery Skill has hit for up to 150 with a weighted axe in mainhand using a 25 damage bow with 1 damage arrows. My DPS calculator shows a max damage of 152 using my setup from the previous sentence if my STR was set to 1. I didn't do a ton of testing, but it is an interesting result that supports the idea that STR isn't used for bows.

Can you do some more parsing to get a better idea of your max damage with your bow and arrow setup?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah the question I haven't answered is if bows use STR, DEX, or neither for the damage calculation. If your parses show that you never hit for higher than 80, my guess is STR isn't used for bows specifically.

In the EQEMU code they have a specific exception for bows to use DEX instead of STR. Since that special exception is already in place, it wouldn't be difficult to modify the special exception to use neither STR or DEX for bows on P99.

My SK at 68 Archery Skill has hit for up to 150 with a weighted axe in mainhand using a 25 damage bow with 1 damage arrows. My DPS calculator shows a max damage of 152 using my setup from the previous sentence if my STR was set to 1. I didn't do a ton of testing, but it is an interesting result that supports the idea that STR isn't used for bows.

Can you do some more parsing to get a better idea of your max damage with your bow and arrow setup?

Fired a couple stacks this morning.

54 ranger
Min hit 27
max hit 70

12dmg bow
5dmg arrows
25dmg bonus (42/49 weap)
227str self buffed
101dex
1110atk

I just leveled so offense/archery/2hs moved a bit but they were all maxed at 53 so probably won't move the needle much.

Btw, as far as I know the claim that archery doesn't use dex but str comes from this post where Ivory states:

We discovered it when we were both archering, and I noticed him hitting way more than me. Surely this was impossible, since my DEX is 226 unbuffed...and his is only 100 or so. BUT he had 225+ str!! and mine is only 99!!

So we stripped him naked and had him archery with low str...and it was true!!! Archering is using the wrong stat!!! Crazy? I agree!! Super crazy!!

Notice no mention of weapons used so if she was DWing and he stripped his swarmcaller then that could explain the disparity but who knows. Seeing most rangers have a huge str/dex disparity this should easily be figured out with the proper max hit formula.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I have fungi/tolan's/seahorse belt and an AP (42/49). The next 2 step ups would be tantor's or Earthshaker but tantor's is worth almost as much as ES so might as well go for ES. Fleeting quiver is up next on the wishlist.

My bow skill is maxed but I mainly just pulled with it. Up to 48 I just face tanked unlimited WL panthers (33-37) basically so I never cared that much for bows but when I switched to CS wyverns (38-42) I could barely chain 2 if swarmcaller didn't proc early. Panthers have 2khp and wyverns 3k, which seemed some of the lowest in the 38-42 bracket. The 42-46 bracket seem to hover around 4.5khp so I'm bracing myself and I guess I'll have to be more creative.

According to the wiki HHK nobles are 38-42 too. I've avoided them because I was under the impression there weren't that many and it seems a very popular spot?

I want to say bards are blue to 55. Nobles are a coin flip blue at 56. They have low 2k hps so go down easy with arrows. On blue they are not camped at all (usually). Not sure on green. Back then I used my Huntsman bow and it was fun but the DD will occasionally break root early.

Harmony won’t split them up. Gotta root and root, then go to work. Or snare and haul to the zone and split them that way.