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For the record I would never guild “main” a mage on p99 or waste dkp on one. It won’t make you a better mage in raids … and for group content the gear is unnecessary. Raid gear and the dkp needed to buy it is better spent on a tank/melee (main or alt).
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You edited out the discussion in the parses you quoted from me. Original source can be found here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=19 Starting with this line of posts: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=181 Quote:
This monk was level 60 with tunare fists and 15/20 offhand (Grandmasterr). Xeff was a level 60 velious raid geared sk. You then were all “Aha! You only did 80dps” based off the compiles despite being told why everyone’s was artificially low. 6 pages later I gave you samples of single target fights. The next line of posts/parses you quoted can be found on this page: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...406923&page=25 Quote:
Bear in mind this was all part of a 449 page thread where you were insisting shamans could compete with mages in a high dps, fast moving theoretical caster group of 4 that included 2 hasted quadding charm pets and a cleric … with either a mage or a shaman as the 4th.
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Why is this so difficult? Just because you say the numbers are "higher", it doesn't mean your pet is automatically doing 80 DPS on average. The average DPS of your pet on the break-away parses was 56, not including the pet DD. Assuming 6 procs per minute, that is 67 DPS. None of your data currently shows an average of 80-85 DPS from your pet, which is what you were suggesting earlier. Also remember the Rogue you were parsing was somewhere between level 49-52, so that isn't a fair comparison to Rogues. You are level 60. A level 49-52 Mage would also be doing lower damage.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-05-2023 at 12:25 AM..
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What is most telling on that aggregate parse was how well the mage + pet combo did compared to the level 60 raid monk with tunare fist and ST fist. https://wiki.project1999.com/Fist_of_Nature https://wiki.project1999.com/Pricele...ium_Fist_Wraps That’s bleeding edge gear. Monk clocked in at 48dps. Water pet (unfocused) at 40dps. Mage added another 39dps (though a chunk of that is from water pet procs). DS wasn’t captured. I dunno man, a group geared mage netting 79 aggregate deflated dps vs a monk thusly geared netting a 48 aggregate deflated dps … … Im pretty sure that qualifies as “top tier group dps”.
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I am not saying the data doesn't exist, but you are very resistant to posting it for some strange reason. For the Monk DPS parses, it is difficult to say how accurate they are since you haven't posted logs or videos. When parsing other players, you need to consistently be within range of them, or you will lose text messages. According to https://wiki.project1999.com/Tranquil_Staff a 60 Monk with tripple attack and T-Staff is getting 130 DPS. It is possible you simply missed a lot of the Monk's messages due to being out of range. In raid parses I have seen Monks near 100 DPS, and that is on a Mob with much higher level/AC than a blue mob you find in Seb.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 09-05-2023 at 12:45 AM..
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TStaff monk at 60 will beat out the water pet by itself. So will my 60 warrior with 42/43 Frostreaver. My 60 paladin will hang out in about the same dps range as the pet by itself with NToV Greatspear of Dawn. But when you add in the magician nukes (even ignoring the DS), the mage wins consistently every time over the course of a session. Sorry. Your source is wrong. If I’m close enough to log my pets melee dps, I’m close enough to log and parse any melee dps.
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You can post logs of your monk and your mage if you are so confident. It is strange you are so relucant to post something that is easy for you to acquire.
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It's 55+ that they start to falter,and really only in a solo setting Mages are a great group class if their careful with their pet not breaking mezes. I have never seen my 60 water pet parse over 90+ DPS, maybe on very low lvl mobs that's possible | |||
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As with most posts we should probably define what “top tier dps” means. Even a raw number is useless unless compared to players numbers on the same fight. A rogue on Dain is not the same as a rogue on some random blue in Seb. It’s highly dependent on…
* Level vs player or pet (advantage PC) * If the dps player has a good tank working with them (pet won’t pull aggro; repositioning for backstabs with a pet is slower) * Speed of engage and ability to track mob if pathing sucks (advantage pet) * Is it even viable to summon a pet at all? (Most raid advantages = PC) I’ve parsed a lot of focused water pets on silly fights. Vindi, Xenevorash, Brother Z/Q, Lhranc, Miragul. Assuming you pick up all the melee on your log (pets stand back further than most PC’s) outside 60+ stuff they can do solid damage. Most Vindi’s with they do 40-45dps which seems low until you scroll down to how many PC’s are being beat by the pet. Some weird high AC fights like Xene they can easily out damage players. The epic pet doesn’t backstab. This is a white damage that lands pretty hard even on 60+ targets. Even with 60 as the max melee hit (which can take half a dozen summons sometimes to get) vs 67 as a consistent summon on the epic neither will land spells on those tougher targets. Advantage Water, to about 10%. Even if spells do land you can’t ignore the extra 180 BS if positioning is possible or you don’t have a bad tank. I’ve beat more epic pets than I’ve lost to. You just have to show up early to get a good one and try a bit harder pointing it in the right direction. I’ve said it before, a proper mage pet on raid level stuff about on par with a generic level 60 knight or ranger. On lower level grind stuff (blues to the player) they are closer to casual geared monk or even rogue capabilities. Not talking Mryo dagger, primal, Abashi players. They hold up better than one would think being level 45 or whatever. Not to mention the mage having a great DS and 150dps on tap for when it’s needed. | ||
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