Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, that is not correct at all. It takes a lot longer to level and gear multiple level 60s. Converesly, plenty of people level pocket Clerics instead of making a new level 60 character.

It's an apples to oranges comparison. And again, since you have a Wizard, it isn't difficult to get a random Cleric to help you out.

Tell me if I'm understanding your thinking correctly. Here is basically what you've been saying, as far as I can tell:

1) Shamans are great group DPS, because they can root rot different mobs off to the side of the group to take full advantage of their long duration DoTs.

2) Shamans are great in a farm group because they can split off and solo mobs while the rest of the group does something else.

3) Shamans are overall better than Clerics in a 4 man group because you can always just log on a pocket Cleric to provide a rez.

Is this a fair assessment of your views?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me if I'm understanding your thinking correctly. Here is basically what you've been saying, as far as I can tell:

1) Shamans are great group DPS, because they can root rot different mobs off to the side of the group to take full advantage of their long duration DoTs.

2) Shamans are great in a farm group because they can split off and solo mobs while the rest of the group does something else.

3) Shamans are overall better than Clerics in a 4 man group because you can always just log on a pocket Cleric to provide a rez.

Is this a fair assessment of your views?

1) In an XP group where the mobs are trivial and the Enchanters do not need a Cleric/Shaman for backup, the Shaman can Root Rot for more DPS if the group wants it. This is not always necessary because 2x Enchanters are already doing a ton of DPS. DPS has diminishing returns after a certain point due to 30 minute spawn timers in most zones. That is why brining more DPS, such as a Mage, will not always translate into more kills per hour. If there is a small gain in kills per hour, maybe 5 mobs or something, the Shaman's extra utility is still going to be better, because it reduces the chance of a group wipe, and you are sacrificing very little XP for that benefit. There is a reason why you don't see a lot of 6 player XP groups. The extra DPS from adding 2-3 players simply does not translate to enough XP to justify the extra DPS.

2) A Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard solo farm crew can split off and solo at 3-4 separate camps when there are no duo/group targets in window. If you are sniping something like Magi in Hate, he has a long respawn timer, so it isn't like you are always in a situation where you are camping something that requires a duo or group. With a Cleric, you reduce the possible split to 2-3 separate camps, which means you have less flexibility. Fortior's idea is to have the group split up into solo players to maximize gains. The Shaman is NOT the only solo player in this scenario.

3) It is a fact that pocket Clerics are a common strategy on P99, because leveling to 49 is not difficult. Individual players and guilds do it. Denying this fact is not benefiting the conversation. If you are opposed to creating a pocket Cleric for some strange reason, you can usually find a Cleric who is willing to res you if you tip them. The Wizard can provide the ports, so it isn't a problem.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) In an XP group the Shaman can Root Rot. This is not necessary

Even though you argued fervently for tens? hundreds? of posts that you did/could/can, to this day you - still - have provided zero evidence that you have ever done such a thing to multiple mobs parallel to a group (that you are currently in), let alone that such a thing occurs often/frequently,

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) A Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Wizard solo farm crew can split off and solo at 3-4 separate camps when there are no duo/group targets in window. If you are sniping something like Magi in Hate, he has a long respawn timer, so it isn't like you are always in a situation where you are camping something that requires a duo or group. With a Cleric, you reduce the possible split to 2-3 separate camps, which means you have less flexibility. Fortior's idea is to have the group split up into solo players to maximize gains.

To "maximize gains" you simply need a Cleric's utility to offset inevitable deaths/wipes. Friendly reminder:

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric is simply safer & more reliable than Shaman, because a Cleric's superior utility over a Shaman's simply offers safer & more reliable solutions to inevitable deaths/wipes, which Shaman's toolkit simply has no answer for.

DSM agrees:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) It is a fact that pocket Clerics are a common strategy on P99, because leveling to 49 is not difficult. Individual players and guilds do it. Denying this fact is not benefiting the conversation. If you are opposed to creating a pocket Cleric for some strange reason, you can usually find a Cleric who is willing to res you if you tip them.

It is a fact that this conversation is about a 4-player group consisting of only casters/priests, arguing for the inclusion of pocket characters in addition to the 4 players which make up said hypothetical group in order to decide what is "best" is not benefiting the conversation. If you are opposed to staying on-topic for this thread for some strange reason, you can find plenty of other threads which do not specify this ONE (1) singular specification. Just like when someone else tried to start on "apples to apples" or "oranges to oranges" terms with you and you rejected/declined their starting conditions, I reject your attempt at insisting the starting condition be "for the purposes of this discussion you can include pocket characters".

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cyxthryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have provided zero evidence that you have ever done such a thing, let alone that such a thing occurs often/frequently.

You have provided zero evidence for all of your claims thus far. I have actually provided evidence for multiple claims in this thread, while you have not.

You don't have to believe me when I say I have root rotted in a group before, just like nobody else has to believe you when you say Shamans are a not a good option, and inferior to Clerics in this scenario[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have provided zero evidence for all of your claims thus far. I have actually provided evidence for multiple claims in this thread, while you have not.

You don't have to believe me when I say I have root rotted in a group before, just like nobody else has to believe you when you say Shamans are a not a good option, and inferior to Clerics in this scenario[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have made no claims, merely stated irrefutable facts and asked simple questions.

You have provided irrelevant evidence - the former/older was irrelevant because you were solo, the current/newer is irrelevant because not only were you in a 3-man group but you were simply not DPSing like you argued you can/could for tens? hundreds? of posts.

Nobody "has to believe" anything, irrefutable facts will remain irrefutable facts.