Trak Rotation

[Ektar]

this is like dealing with a child holding his breath until he gets what he wants. he hurts himself and the parent until a compromise is made.

I wanna let the kid suffocate himself.


^ this right here is the part of my point no one is getting yet

[Ektar]

well maybe you didn't say it, but someone else said "it's both guilds' faults"

and to fix: as I'm trying to say, TR (though, again, I don't speak for them) is not going to give into the child holding his breath until his demands are met. They will (as IB did in the past) hold out until the child suffocates. the only fix is the kid stops holding his breath.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well maybe you didn't say it, but someone else said "it's both guilds' faults"

and to fix: as I'm trying to say, TR (though, again, I don't speak for them) is not going to give into the child holding his breath until his demands are met. They will (as IB did in the past) hold out until the child suffocates. the only fix is the kid stops holding his breath.

it is both their faults. It has happened everytime 2 guilds wanted a target bad enough.

Want a fix? rotate or stop going for targets. Because the shit is just gonna happen.

it's either poopsocking a login screen or poopsock ingame. either way people are going to do it with the way it is now

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well maybe you didn't say it, but someone else said "it's both guilds' faults"

and to fix: as I'm trying to say, TR (though, again, I don't speak for them) is not going to give into the child holding his breath until his demands are met. They will (as IB did in the past) hold out until the child suffocates. the only fix is the kid stops holding his breath.

What you're basically saying is that you'd rather TMO just collapse from poopsock-induced burnout than reach a compromise with them like a mature adult would do. You're confident this will occur because it supposedly happened in the past with DA. What you're not realizing is that poopsocking still hasn't stopped, even in kunark. Even if a guild collapses in the short term from this it won't stop it in the long term; guilds will always go back to poopsocking even after a brief period of no-poopsocking.

Moreover, if you expect TMO to get burnt out from sitting in trak's lair forever, by that reasoning you should expect TR members to get burnt out as well, since they admittedly are okay with poopsocking as a response. It doesn't matter who starts it; if poopsocking can discourage members of one guild it can discourage members of the other.

I'm not a member of either guild but I'm sure both parties are mature enough to organize a rotation. It's in both their interests, and like I argued earlier, it actually encourages competition since it opens up the boss for other guilds.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're basically saying is that you'd rather TMO just collapse from poopsock-induced burnout than reach a compromise with them like a mature adult would do. You're confident this will occur because it supposedly happened in the past with DA. What you're not realizing is that poopsocking still hasn't stopped, even in kunark. Even if a guild collapses in the short term from this it won't stop it in the long term; guilds will always go back to poopsocking even after a brief period of no-poopsocking.

Moreover, if you expect TMO to get burnt out from sitting in trak's lair forever, by that reasoning you should expect TR members to get burnt out as well, since they admittedly are okay with poopsocking as a response. It doesn't matter who starts it; if poopsocking can discourage members of one guild it can discourage members of the other.

I'm not a member of either guild but I'm sure both parties are mature enough to organize a rotation. It's in both their interests, and like I argued earlier, it actually encourages competition since it opens up the boss for other guilds.

funny how that is what i was thinking, but just couldn't type it. +1

[Ring]

Why don't both your guilds just reach a compromise to go back to camping out at the ledge (anything else is just unreasonable. How do you define where mobilization starts? Do they have to port into EJ and run to Seb for it to count as racing, etc.).

It's not even that hard to enforce, just don't poopsock the next Trak and the other guild will have no reason to sit there for hours on end. They'll log out and when the batphone goes off both can race.

[Shiftin]

You should probably start from a place of sincerity instead of puffing up your chest and acting invincible if you want to come to a place of bargaining.

TMA has been raiding together or as one guild for over a month and bringing an absolute boatload of people to seb to get your kills. Lots of people have said for a long time that was going to have to happen and it finally did. If we're honest, TR has a pretty huge gear and levels advantage which allow us to engage with fewer people. The only way to mitigate that is with numbers on your end. It's not a flame, it's logical and you're doing what has to get done to compete.

Despite that, TR still killed trak 6 times in July, including *four days ago*. Don't come here and act like "well, we'll give TR some traks so we aren't so inconvenienced." It's disingenuous and insulting.

[Alkorin]

Is that what you read? That's not what I read in the OP.

[Ektar]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that what you read? That's not what I read in the OP.

multiple people have said it in this thread

[Alkorin]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

multiple people have said it in this thread

Alright, that's cool -- those of us that aren't posturing like children still want to see some resolution to this that doesn't involve waking up at 3am to kill a bunch of pixels because we've all decided to poopsock them.

I have no issues with TR. I have issues with getting paged at o'dark-stupid for a game.