Messaging between the Houses

[unsunghero]

Black people are more likely to die from covid because they have the highest rates of something called sickle cell anemia which puts their body at a disadvantage in fighting off covid. So in a way that makes them more vulnerable than any other race. So prioritizing for blacks makes sense from a medical standpoint

That isn’t the Dems logic here though, because Hispanics are also included. One could argue that their statistically higher death rates could be due to higher rates of poverty. But then why not just say we are prioritizing the treatment for the poor (sorta classist but w/e)

The logic escapes me, but it’s not being done like this everywhere to my knowledge

[Gravydoo II]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Black people are more likely to die from covid because they have the highest rates of something called sickle cell anemia which puts their body at a disadvantage in fighting off covid. So in a way that makes them more vulnerable than any other race. So prioritizing for blacks makes sense from a medical standpoint

That isn’t the Dems logic here though, because Hispanics are also included. One could argue that their statistically higher death rates could be due to higher rates of poverty. But then why not just say we are prioritizing the treatment for the poor (sorta classist but w/e)

The logic escapes me, but it’s not being done like this everywhere to my knowledge

Its really easy. Who is more likely to spread it? The people who are retired, stay at home all day, dont have to go to work every day, etc.
Or
The work force made up of everyone else. The people who travel the world professionally and personally all the time, work a nine to five around other people, go home to your family, interact with customers/clients etc. Then their customers go home to their families and their families then go to school to interact with more kids who go home to interact with their parents who interact with their co-workers/clients who go home to their families and on and on and on and on

Makes a lot of sense when you look at it like that. The people who are most vulnerable are the ones actually out in the world and in the work force interacting with people one after another.

Then, if the work force is vaccinated, the old people that interact with them on their shopping trips are less likely to get covid. Unless you declined the vaccine.

[robayon]

Who are you talking to

[Ooloo]

The filibuster is preventing the tyranny of a majority of politicians in congress, who by no means represent the "will of the people". Many of the things the dems are trying to pass are actually very unpopular with most americans. The filibuster prevents them from passing bad policy with 51% of the vote, for things that less than 50% of the actual american population wants. You *want* gridlock in congress, otherwise the country can fundamentally change overnight based on the whims of politicians.

But as usual the younger generation of dems are trying to govern like it's highschool debate club, and they should be able to pass whatever they want.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The filibuster is preventing the tyranny of a majority of politicians in congress, who by no means represent the "will of the people".

I like the filibuster, but you're wrong.

The people express their "will" solely by their vote in a representative democracy. How issues poll has nothing to do with it other than, hopefully, the people holding their elected officials accountable the next time around.

There's also plenty of examples where Republicans ignore the polling on issues and vote their conscious (or lack there of) such as gun issues and environmental issues.

Republicans have been scorched earth in terms procedure for a long time. I support Dems in playing the same games, but I also support the people holding them accountable for it come election time and I support Republicans making them pay for it in the next Congress when they'll be in the majority.

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You *want* gridlock in congress, otherwise the country can fundamentally change overnight based on the whims of politicians.

100% agree. Especially because those whims are too often for sale even in the context of perfectly legal campaign funding.

[unsunghero]

Checks and balances are also supposed to be the Supreme Court, but all that matters there is what political party the judges belong to

Checks and balances seems very easy to manipulate or overcome

[Ooloo]

Blanket prioritizing based on race still doesn't make sense though, because there's no reason to prioritize a black person who is perfectly healthy and *doesn't* have sickle cell over a fat white dude with diabetes, which is ostensibly what is happening in places that are doing this.

So much leftist logic works this way; "big broad pattern here, therefor lets do big broad sweeping thing over here" as if you're moving weights around on a balance. Meanwhile tons of innocent people don't get covid therapies who need them because of racial identity politics.

[robayon]

Can you name any other examples of that logic being applied that way, Ooloo? Or an example of what you are referring to, specifically?

I would like to know more

[Gravydoo II]

Its not based on race... The only people saying its based on race are the people saying "I declined the vaccine for a long time and now I cant get one!"

The CDC policy says:
CDC Is Committed to Vaccine Equity for Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups
CDC is paving the way in vaccine equity efforts with national, state, tribal, territorial, local, and community partners to ensure that Black or African American people and Hispanic or Latino people have fair and just access to COVID-19 vaccination. To support vaccine equity, CDC continues to communicate with and listen to all communities affected by COVID-19. CDC is working to build trust, increase collaboration, and create tools and resources to respond to the concerns and feedback from all communities affected by COVID-19, especially those disproportionately impacted. These activities, along with messages supported by science, can help to increase COVID-19 vaccine acceptance and make it easier to get vaccinated.

Meaning that the previous distribution was not fair. It has not been distributed evenly. Now, they are saying they are committed to making sure that poor POC get it, thats STEALING from white people. Look how fucking entitled you are.. Its disgusting.

You guys didnt want the vaccine and now you're crying because the CDC wants to be sure everyone can get it. Oh my god that means they are stealing from whites!!

You're always the victims. We get it. I guess this is one way to trick you idiots into getting vaccinated. "If you dont take it the black and brown people will get it!" LOLOL