Need it or keep it?

[Disease]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot isnt going to get people to play on a pvp server that doesnt/wouldnt already.

People cant handle ffa with coin only. Any item loot server turns into the same 60 person server, dead in a month or 2.

[Gustoo]

Nothing is going to get people to play on a pvp server that doesn't / wouldn't already.

3 rulesets worth trying

Rallos Zek rules (the best)
Sullon Zek rules but custom 2 teams (Nilbogs)
Discord rules with resets all the time full hardcore permadeath

Discord is a great server to release when you have a dead ass permanent server like ours, I am really bummed it seemed to come so close but then did not release.

Problem with EQ teams is that all of the classic teams sucked. The only classic server with a good ruleset was Rallos Zek the teams ones sucked.

Nilbog 2 teams could be worth trying because a new hard coded teams could be a fun change from previous ones. We aren't going to have the pop for 3 viable teams even live didn't

[Raclen]

I would prefer original RoZ ruleset on a Red99 server.

2 box
loot 1 item in inventory on pvp kill, can't loot anything worn
training legal, no real rules outside of no exploiting, hacking or 3+ boxing
FFA, 4 level range

[Gustoo]

Inventory including bags loot and no worn item loot would be interesting, but it doesn't have the power balance functionality of the (slim chance) possibility of looting an item of value from a twink PK character, so at that point I don't see the valu.

[Gustoo]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

A knight - I agree, and thats why red99 is so weird because "P99, classic comes first" started with a full custom ruleset, FFA, VARIABLE pvp engagement range that widened as you leveled up, EXP LOSS on pvp death, No teams, and I can't remember when PVP started if it was level 1 or 2 or 5 or what.

Really weird, not discussed on forums maybe discussed on some other back channel with some other guys and I for one was totally surprised that it was ratified into the final release after the long beta with no announcements or staff communication at all. I'm talking about like zero staff communication about any of the goings ons or feedback about the red99 beta server. I would have been happy with a 3 year beta where they screw with the rules and decide what they think works best but instead they just launched with their first idea, eventually they rolled back EXP loss, and eventually they switched it to static 4 level pvp engagement range.

But yeah.

Of the classic servers, Discord works, and Rallos works

Vallon / Tallon / Sullon have bad teams issues and need customized. Custom Sullon teams seems worth trying for all of the anti item loot people.

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

[Sk00ba5t3v3]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

A knight - I agree, and thats why red99 is so weird because "P99, classic comes first" started with a full custom ruleset, FFA, VARIABLE pvp engagement range that widened as you leveled up, EXP LOSS on pvp death, No teams, and I can't remember when PVP started if it was level 1 or 2 or 5 or what.

Really weird, not discussed on forums maybe discussed on some other back channel with some other guys and I for one was totally surprised that it was ratified into the final release after the long beta with no announcements or staff communication at all. I'm talking about like zero staff communication about any of the goings ons or feedback about the red99 beta server. I would have been happy with a 3 year beta where they screw with the rules and decide what they think works best but instead they just launched with their first idea, eventually they rolled back EXP loss, and eventually they switched it to static 4 level pvp engagement range.

But yeah.

Of the classic servers, Discord works, and Rallos works

Vallon / Tallon / Sullon have bad teams issues and need customized. Custom Sullon teams seems worth trying for all of the anti item loot people.

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

Gustoo for President

[Old_PVP]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the end I would dream that P99 makes a rallos zek classic server, adds planes like a billion years later, and then leaves it to fester like current red99. A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

Totally agree. The best pvp is when everyone is in rags. Ahh... the memories. Keep it Classic for literally a few years before rolling out Kunark. NEVER roll out Velious. No GM's are listening though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[A Knight]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would play a 60 person item loot PVP vanilla server, all day. 100% better than a 60 person no item loot velious poop wagon.

... A beautiful static vanilla PVP item loot rallos zek server would be a great place of refuge and people tired of living in velious era on blue and green could come hang out for some good days when fBSS and YAKS were still good items.

I'm starting to think this might be the best idea, as much as I personally would feel like I'm missing out on kunark. Let the server mass some population over a long period of time on vanilla for such reason. Then add kunark late as Old_PVP recommended, or maybe even as a final back up plan if population dies after many years. Of course if it gets a population in the first place.

[Danger]

if its a p99 box sure, if its some drugbox with 30 players no. sorry reign of dragonspear roz ppl, id rather not play at all than play some flash in the pan garage server.

rogean, start talking about it pls.

[Raclen]

They aren't reign of dragonspear roz ppl. They are the same people that played Red99 that have moved on to better servers. They would all be on a new red99 server as well.

Some people like classic-kunark era and want to play that. There isn't a way to play those eras unless someone else makes the emulator. I have never seen an emulator community so stuck on one server, it is really odd how brainwashed the player base is.

I played multiple wow emulators and there wasn't this same resistance to jump onto new projects when they were what people wanted to try.