Poll regarding King groups and the Staff...

[soup]

Originally Posted by Rotted_Corpse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What have you given me? Giving things to others is a nice thing to do. I try to help those I can when I can. But i'm new to the server and not rich so I can only do so much.

Couldn't even tell ya. I hand out enough items that I couldn't even try and keep track of what I give who, but sometimes I remembers people's names. Yours is one of them. Maybe I haven't given you anything but I know at the least I've given you (and your pet?) buffs before.

But thinking someone in a group that already has an item should roll greed for another over someone that could use it is pure greed (or even hasn't gotten one yet if its a really rare item). Greed is greed. No way to mask it any other way.

Remember, we're not talking about cheap items worth a couple k or less, we're talking about stuff worth amounts of plat that can be game changing for the person. I'm not talking about everyone free rolling the 400p Sarnak Hide Mask that just dropped when the rogue really wants it, no one cares about that. I'm talking about when the Tstaff drops that can fetch 80k and allow me to get a fungi tunic for my shaman (the shaman that contributed to the Tstaff dropping.) Somehow it's not greedy for the lone monk in the group to demand the item go straight to him, but it's greedy for me to say we should all get a roll at it? I could use that Tstaff to uber upgrade my character just like the monk can, the only difference is I need to do a couple extra steps (sell staff, buy items) and somehow the fact that extra steps are added suddenly makes it greedy?

Why should someones greed for plat go before someones need for an item?

No one's "greed" for plat comes first, that's why EVERYONE in the group gets a chance to roll. The "greed" for plat coming first would be if I was saying that the people who would sell the item should get priority. I'm not saying that, I'm saying EVERYONE should get an equal chance at the loot. That is the exact opposite of greed and the epitome of fair.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couldn't even tell ya. I hand out enough items that I couldn't even try and keep track of what I give who, but sometimes I remembers people's names. Yours is one of them. Maybe I haven't given you anything but I know at the least I've given you (and your pet?) buffs before.


Remember, we're not talking about cheap items worth a couple k or less, we're talking about stuff worth amounts of plat that can be game changing for the person. I'm not talking about everyone free rolling the 400p Sarnak Hide Mask that just dropped when the rogue really wants it, no one cares about that. I'm talking about when the Tstaff drops that can fetch 80k and allow me to get a fungi tunic for my shaman (the shaman that contributed to the Tstaff dropping.) Somehow it's not greedy for the lone monk in the group to demand the item go straight to him, but it's greedy for me to say we should all get a roll at it? I could use that Tstaff to uber upgrade my character just like the monk can, the only difference is I need to do a couple extra steps (sell staff, buy items) and somehow the fact that extra steps are added suddenly makes it greedy?



No one's "greed" for plat comes first, that's why EVERYONE in the group gets a chance to roll. The "greed" for plat coming first would be if I was saying that the people who would sell the item should get priority. I'm not saying that, I'm saying EVERYONE should get an equal chance at the loot. That is the exact opposite of greed and the epitome of fair.

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Need Before Greed always! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh and I don't remember a char named Soup. heh.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Rotted_Corpse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being greedy is being greedy. No matter how hard you try to justify it. Its still GREEDY!

Except it's not greedy? Just because you choose to call it something doesn't make it so.

And Zalmo is the character I play these days.

[Rotted_Corpse]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except it's not greedy? Just because you choose to call it something doesn't make it so.

And Zalmo is the character I play these days.

Just because you try to say its not doesn't mean it isn't GREEDY.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Rotted_Corpse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because you try to say its not doesn't mean it isn't GREEDY.

Yeah I know, it's so greedy of me to expect the enchanter in a king group to get to roll on a fungi tunic that drops rather than demanding it just be defaulted to me or the monk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, he can't equip it, so the only way for me to not be greedy is demand that I get priority!

[Rotted_Corpse]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I know, it's so greedy of me to expect the enchanter in a king group to get to roll on a fungi tunic that drops rather than demanding it just be defaulted to me or the monk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, he can't equip it, so the only way for me to not be greedy is demand that I get priority!

NBG isn't demanding. Its showing proper respect for those you play with and allowing them the gear that they can use that you cannot. If they can't use it (they have one already or have better) then all roll on it.

"Greed" is those that think they should be able to roll on something so they can sell in lieu of someone that actually needs the item. To feed their plat addiction so they can be RICH and feel self important.

This is my last response to you. Go find someone else to bother if you don't understand or can't get past your greed.

[soup]

Originally Posted by Rotted_Corpse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NBG isn't demanding. Its showing proper respect for those you play with and allowing them the gear that they can use that you cannot. If they can't use it (they have one already or have better) then all roll on it.

"Greed" is those that think they should be able to roll on something so they can sell in lieu of someone that actually needs the item. To feed their plat addiction so they can be RICH and feel self important.

This is my last response to you. Go find someone else to bother if you don't understand or can't get past your greed.

You realize that people sell stuff so they can buy gear for their character, right? If the monk demands the Tstaff and tells everyone else to fuck off, he's being noble and fair, but if I want everyone to get a chance to roll on it so they can buy themselves haste or uber weapons or fungi tunics or whatever, they're doing it just to be rich and feel self important? How does that make ANY sense?

And what if someone claims "need!" on an item, and then later someone offers them an even better item for it, is it greedy to accept that trade? If I get an item via "need" and then can later trade it in a way that gets me stuff even more beneficial to my character than the original item, that's called being practical, not greedy. Also, who determines "need"? Should the cleric in the group who doesn't have a manastone get to "need" roll on the fungi tunic that drops? What about the rogue? Are we just defining "need" as anyone who can use it? Or is there some arbitrary determination of whether or not the person "needs" it? Is it just whether or not someone who can equip it claims need, even if everyone can plainly see the item in question would be a blatant downgrade?

And that's ignoring the whole bit about stuff like why would the ever so important enchanter join your king group to help you guys gets 150K++ items when there isn't shit there for him? Greedy is expecting him to do it with no chance at similar quality rewards that you can get.

Free roll > "NBG"

[mcy]

Pwny says hi

[Bubbles]

NBG on a staff is pretty silly, since basically any class could make decent-to-good use of it.

It's obviously going to give more bang for the buck to necros and monks and such, but honestly.. Any melee/caster can truthfully make solid use of it situationally.

The real issue is the robe randomly being the common drop on this server, which makes every rare tunic/staff drop the source of neverending feelings of anguish when it comes to loot dispersal.

[degenvf]

What if i third dropped? We should just pick a person who we all give all items to.
I vote for bruno.