When people say you are paranoid about the government taking your guns

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Topgunben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess rock throwing would be more effective? SMH

Google some combat footage videos. let me know how the Marines respond when shots are fired.

Spoiler - they don't fire back with small arms fire.

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Google some combat footage videos. let me know how the Marines respond when shots are fired.

Spoiler - they don't fire back with small arms fire.

That's why you shoot their families instead. We know who they are, and they're vulnerable. Go against the soft targets, not the hard ones.

[DinoTriz2]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Google some combat footage videos. let me know how the Marines respond when shots are fired.

Spoiler - they don't fire back with small arms fire.

Not if the enemy fires from a populated area where they can escape back into the civilian population.

No one is saying American citizens are going to fight toe to toe against our military.

It will be a guerrilla war.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not if the enemy fires from a populated area where they can escape back into the civilian population.

No one is saying American citizens are going to fight toe to toe against our military.

It will be a guerrilla war.

ok so the govt will control all the good parts and the food

red dawn was a shitty movie

[DinoTriz2]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His example of nukes diluted his valid point; you couldn't be more wrong.

Any civilian who believes their AR15 is protecting them from the US Military is out. of. their. mind.

The Taliban defended themselves with Lee Enfield No. 4's (bolt action rifles, used in WW2)

The AR15 is the civilian platform of what the military currently uses.

The only difference is that it is semi-auto and not select fire.

And no, that doesn't make a difference. Full-auto is only used by idiots in action movies.

[FatherSioux]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His example of nukes diluted his valid point; you couldn't be more wrong.

Any civilian who believes their AR15 is protecting them from the US Military is out. of. their. mind.

Some of the US Military would be on the side of the rebels. Let's assume a soft number of 25%. So you think 1.5M Military members are going to suppress and control a guerilla style war with armed civilians? Because of technology? What are your reasons? Do you understand that the rebels don't need to defeat the entire US Military, they need to resist strongly for a duration. Resulting in help from the outside if it doesn't look like they will survive.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by FatherSioux [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you understand that the rebels don't need to defeat the entire US Military, they need to resist strongly for a duration. Resulting in help from the outside if it doesn't look like they will survive.

invading a nuclear state is a nonstarter, hope this helps

[DinoTriz2]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

invading a nuclear state is a nonstarter, hope this helps

If the US has to nuke its own citizens, then the rebels have already won.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the US has to nuke its own citizens, then the rebels have already won.

i think he was saying foreign assistance. help isnt coming when it means their homes and families get a gamma ray tan

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DinoTriz2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the US has to nuke its own citizens, then the rebels have already won.

And if any of this nonsense (of the US military vs. its own citizens in some sort of Rambo guerilla warfare scenario) y'all are dreaming up ever comes to pass, we've all already lost.

Which is NOT to say "it can't happen here". Countries like Venezuela (or Turkey or ... there's lots of examples) provide a perfect example of how to go from democracy to dictatorship. There's nothing magical or special about America, inherently, that prevents us from going down that road (certainly not the 2nd amendment).

But what does protect us is our democratic institutions and traditions. At the moment if Trump (or Barack, or whoever) declared himself dictator, the armed forces would revolt. It would take time, and the corruption of our democracy, before we'd have a Venezuela-like setup where the military has no choice but to support their bosses.

But if we don't defend our democracy, we absolutely 100% could get to that point.

(As an aside, you should read about what they do to Venezuelan soldiers when the powers that be even think might be considering revolting. Essentially they bring them in, take them to a room with a big board with a cloth over it, and then pull off the cloth to reveal that the board is covered with all the family members/loved ones of the soldiers. They make it clear (without ever actually saying it) what will happen to those people if the soldiers revolt.

And that's just the ones they suspect might harbor some doubts; if they actually have proof of you defying them ... well let's just say there's a reason Maduro is still in power there.)