WTS Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You apparently dont understand how PoH is done. You dont crawl, that creates massive trains and kills everyone. You pull to 3 or 4 different camps. The minis dont do anything special and can all be slowed except the spite one. So going over the pull and preparing with 30 people is a really lame excuse. Not to mention that just about all of the minis can be pulled easily with 2 monks after minimal if any clearing.

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said anything about crawling. Just about getting set up in one of the few places that you mentioned, and this is exactly what is part of the issue. According to the rules, if my raid is gathered at one of these points waiting for the cleric to take a crap before we pull our target or maybe we're explaining how the pull will happen because one of our monks has never done it before, or any other reason that happens all the time in this game. You and your raid/group are technically allowed to pull our target if it has not been engaged, seeing as no one kills targets at there spawn in hate (as you so kindly pointed out) nothing is ever technically camped. Even though you and I both knew that that was our intended target in this hypothetical situation that happened to A Guild last week.

And clearing is definitely involved in hate by the way. Not a full zone clear, but you need to break in for christs sake and then clear to where your setting up. Or do you and your friends have magical powers?

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't seem to be able to grasp is that the target you are after is up because that small group spent the time to clear place holders and spawn it. There are no raid mobs in plane of hate except for inny. Notice now none of the minis have an FTE message? You may have a leg to stand on if each mini was on a set 8 hour respawn without having a place holder, however that isn't how it works. Hate minis are basically rare spawns with place holders on an 8 hour timer. You want some kind of entitlement to a magi then go up and learn how to clear the phs and then go back 8 hours later and do it again.

I have repeatedly said that I am not a part of the group that is farming hate. You are free to log out up in hate just like these people are doing, you choose not to and then complain when they can pull and kill a mob faster than you. As they also have to clear out the room or camp they are pulling to.

You realize that you can go weeks without even seeing a magi? Last I heard they are 8+ weeks without seeing a staff. So I'm not even sure what your complaint is. Move faster and pull quicker, just because you are slowly meandering towards a target doesn't mean you have a claim on it.

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm very aware that no hate mobs have FTE other than innoruk. And I'm aware your not part of the group, haven't said you are. I'm also aware of how spawning and tracking named mobs works. And I'm not asking for any sort of entitlement to anything.

All I'm saying, is that the way the rules are currently implemented and enforced leaves the door open for a ton of asshattery as has been witnessed by multiple people and groups.

Also, you are assuming that only this small group is clearing placeholders and tracking there targets, when that is not the case. Plenty of people clear ph's and track targets.

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh really? When was the last time you cleared the PHs every 8 hours for 8 weeks? I know they haven't made every respawn however in that time they have gotten at most 1 earth staff. You think the time invested doesn't warrant them being able to make some plat? Obviously you're tracking hate, that doesn't mean the magi that spawned was due to anything you did. All you're doing is admitting you aren't committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity which isn't how anything works.

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your still assuming an awful lot. For one, I'm not tracking hate or killing PH's and I never said I was or that I was responsible for or entitled to anything, just that more people than your friends are killing and tracking. And I'm not saying that there not allowed to make plat. ALL IM SAYING is that the server rules as they stand leave the door open for asshattery, such as the asshattery happening in hate currently.

Also, just a little FYI, I haven't demanded anything. And I'm not currently after anything from hate. So im not sure why your accusing me of "admitting I'm not committing the same amount of time but demanding the same opportunity..." when that is simply not the case. But for you to think that your friends are the only ones committing time and killing ph's in hate is simply ignorant on your part.

If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you aren't tracking hate or killing the place holders then how do you know how often anyone other than this small group is up there clearing place holders?

If it doesn't affect you in any way why are you so upset by their actions? Seems like clearing a PH and then waiting for it to respawn is exactly how you actually camp anything in this game, which is exactly what they are doing.

I have friends too, that's how I know. And it does affect me in some ways. My friends/guildies/the rest of the server are getting bottlenecked by these guys. If all they want is a staff of earth, fine, camp it 24/7 till your socks overflow with poop, get your item, and leave. But if all they need is a staff of earth, why are they selling/mq'ing every other drop from the zone? And actively racing to those other mobs against other groups.

Instead, they are trying to monopolize all the drops from hate, which in the end will skew our servers economy even further into the crapper, and yes, that affects me and every other player on this server. Though that's not why I care. I care because, as I said before... The current rules and there enforcement leave the door open for all sorts of asshattery....

[Bubbles]

The problem here is Maner is basically setting up camp at the RnF Fountain next to the 2nd story ramp....

He's blocking the people defending AM from coming to their defense. He's gone to great pains to explain he has no dog in the fight and yet is somehow vigorously typing away in defense of those selling. If this was sane behavior, we would expect someone else to be joining into the chorus.

Except no one else truly is. If the Strike Force Team Zero is gonna do it best and fastest every 8 hours, more power to 'em. No one's saying they arent the most dedicated and doing it with a skeleton crew, they are.

It's when they park between two raids going on, directly in pull lanes and on top of the ramp to the 2nd story and then start screaming about FRAPS and how everyone else is ruining *their* raid and immersion.. Thats why 0 respect has been shown in this thread and everyone is taking turns $#!++ing in it. /shrug.