Bernie Sanders at his best

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes me think of what happened in San Diego when obamacare went into affect. Companies all started giving minimum wage employees shorter hours so they wouldn't qualify for the "free health care".

Govt shouldn't be involved in this stuff imo. They fuck it up.

If "government" were involved in reforming healthcare, we wouldn't have gotten the abomination that is Obamacare. The reform was created by insurance companies and other entities who have a stake in the broken state of healthcare. The politicians, who are bought and paid for by the corporations and their lobbyists, were just an intermediary. And of course people like you blame the "government". We should just let the corporations handle it, am I right? Because that's been working so well for us so far.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If "government" were involved in reforming healthcare, we wouldn't have gotten the abomination that is Obamacare. The reform was created by insurance companies and other entities who have a stake in the broken state of healthcare. The politicians, who are bought and paid for by the corporations and their lobbyists, were just an intermediary. And of course people like you blame the "government". We should just let the corporations handle it, am I right? Because that's been working so well for us so far.

Corporations haven't been handling it all. The Government has its hand in everything.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by B4EQWASCOOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Corporations haven't been handling it all. The Government has its hand in everything.

The government answers to the corporations. Where have you been the last 20 years?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The government answers to the corporations. Where have you been the last 20 years?

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

no the republican elected goverment leaders are corrupt and accept bribes and pass legislation that helps the corperations by slashing laws that were created to protect us from large buisness.

if you live in america but somehow LOVE monopolies than you are part of the problem.

That fucking board game warped the minds of all my generation I guess.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no the republican elected goverment leaders are corrupt and accept bribes and pass legislation that helps the corperations by slashing laws that were created to protect us from large buisness.

if you live in america but somehow LOVE monopolies than you are part of the problem.

That fucking board game warped the minds of all my generation I guess.

The Government creates and maintains monopolies.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the government are just poor victims in this fantasy land, completely devoid of any of the responsibility for the situation?

Nope, the ultimate responsibility lies with the electorate for failing to remain informed and exercise enough critical thinking to pick representatives that represent their interests.

He blamed the government for Obamacare. Yes, technically, the government created the law. The government is complicit. But corruption and corporate lobbying were ultimately responsible for making it the way it was. People wanted healthcare reform, and what they got was something that looked like meaningful reform on the surface, but was actually just another way for the elite to loot the country. So when you say Obamacare is terrible because the government is awful and governments in general suck at everything they do, I don't think you're capturing the reality of the situation.

If we enacted a single-payer system and cut the insurance companies out, and it was still a boondoggle, then I'd be more open to blaming the government itself for being incompetent.

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The government answers to the corporations. Where have you been the last 20 years?

The government is the corporation. The corporations are the shareholders.