HAVE U TRIED RED YET?

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never been killed by a fungi twink or called a faggot. Granted, I didn't exactly do the Suggested Blue (tm) path to levelling (cb -> unrest -> mm -> com -> kc). Gotta stay off the tracks if you don't wanna get run down by the train.

lol'd at the progression of your posts in this thread

come join red, cause pvp -> never been killed by a twink -> avoid zones with people, cause pvp

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol'd at the progression of your posts in this thread

come join red, cause pvp -> never been killed by a twink -> avoid zones with people, cause pvp

Pvp was accessory to most of it. You'll find it weird too if you join.

I play neutral-good so don't attack unless attacked. And actually never avoided pvp, just avoid the stated zones with griefers a la mrbigs

[Ahldagor]

how close is red to this?
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[a_gnoll_pup]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how close is red to this?
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Accurate.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol'd at the progression of your posts in this thread

come join red, cause pvp -> never been killed by a twink -> avoid zones with people, cause pvp

Yep, this is it exactly. Most of the people who are trying red are doing it because they want it to be a less crowded version of blue. And at the low levels, that's what it is. Until you hit 56.

Originally Posted by Pheer

Im annoyed by constant red recruitment threads just as much as id be annoyed by jehovah's witnesses/mormon missionaries at my door or telemarketer phone calls

+1. Especially when the title of the thread is in all caps with an abbreviated u.

The simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people here do not want to play on red.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by The Bears [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to over think it. GM's were mad that habitual recidivist repeat offenders were scoffing at the disciplinary actions by just releveling characters. In a weekend of shitting in tube socks they could be back 55+ with a VP key and acquiring phat pixels to use against their opponents. An ill conceived action was taken: nerf exp. The result was that the bottom half of the server dropped out and the shitsocking people already committed stuck around.

GM's rotated on their thumbs for 3.5 months and decided to implement the experience bonus required to attract people to play on Red where the toxic community makes the experience so horrendous that the carrot the draw them into the upper levels must be huge.

Don't feign ignorance, there is no riddle. GM's best was piss poor and a poor intervention. GM's not being retarded, only misguided, chose to rectify their mistake and try to resurrect the server. Mission accomplished, gains made, play if you want.

Stop using this one-off comment Sirken made on a stream as the sole justification for the XP nerf. It had nothing to do with banned players leveling quickly. We had always planned to put a new, different XP bonus in, but the implementation got delayed because a developer got busy with real life things, as we explained multiple times all over the red forums. See my post earlier in this thread:

Originally Posted by Derubael

I have no idea why this explanation has become so popular and widespread. Banned players no longer being able to level up quickly was a side-effect, not the primary reason. You can find an exhaustive list/rant of why the XP bonus was removed here. It really had nothing to do with banned players at all, it was about helping to foster a stronger community and reduce the high turnover rate. I think with all the changes that were made (level range reduced, SolB/Perma no level-limit removed, XP, OOC when it eventually starts working as intended) we've been able to accomplish that, along with a strong effort by the Red community to welcome new players and work to fight against the trolls.

Nerfing XP "Just to keep banned players from leveling quickly" would be the worst idea ever.

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just seeing them shit up the front page of server chat is what annoys me personally, not strictly the contents within the threads themselves. Im annoyed by constant red recruitment threads just as much as id be annoyed by jehovah's witnesses/mormon missionaries at my door or telemarketer phone calls. Sure I don't HAVE to talk to them and listen to what they have to say but for someone to be ridiculed for being annoyed by them is dumb.

That's fantastic. Fortunately, you don't have to listen - it's as easy as not clicking the thread. If it annoys you that much to see "Red thread" in server chat, you might need to take a step back from the keyboard. Or, as I suggested earlier, take it to RnF.

Originally Posted by Pheer

Ive heard this excuse before and its a pretty ridiculous one. The sections specifically for blue server guilds, raid scene, trading, etc. are all also listed under "General Community"

So I'm guessing the "Starting Zone", "Technical Discussion", and "Off-Topic" sub sections are also blue only? Where do Red players go for those sections?

I'm not going to argue about this anymore - unless it gets out of hand (which it hasn't), the Red posts in "Blue" Server Chat are not going to go away. The posts complaining about them, however, will. A lot of time, effort, and work was put into the Red server lately by both the Development team and the CSR team, and we're thrilled that the red community (and a good number of people from the blue community as well!) want to share this experience with people from both servers.

Let's try to remember that we all love and play Everquest here, regardless of whether we enjoy PvP or not.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I'm guessing the "Starting Zone", "Technical Discussion", and "Off-Topic" sub sections are also blue only? Where do Red players go for those sections?

Theres also a red server chat section. Im assuming if i went into red server chat and tried to recruit people to blue id get a warning/ban and/or my thread removed. But since youve decided to allow server chat to be used as a red99 billboard we're supposed to just be quiet and deal with it. Cool.

I guess the main point im arguing here is why is there a red server chat section if youre saying that "Server Chat" is for both.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theres also a red server chat section. Im assuming if i went into red server chat and tried to recruit people to blue id get a warning/ban and/or my thread removed. But since youve decided to allow server chat to be used as a red99 billboard we're supposed to just be quiet and deal with it. Cool.

You clearly don't know me very well. I couldn't care less if you made a post in Red Server Chat advertising for blue. I think it'd be in bad taste, considering blue is 1000 population nightly, and Red is 200, but that doesn't mean I'd stop you.

Despite the fact that you and a small handful of others don't like them, these red server recruitment threads have brought players over to Red from Blue. Unfortunately, there is a consistent vocal minority of blue players who insist on trolling these threads. I'm just going to start deleting those posts. The CSR staff supports the posting of red recruitment threads in server chat, so long as they are tastefully done and don't get out of hand. Please accept that, move on, and stop trying to antagonize the red forum posters who are helping us spread the word about the widespread changes the red server has undergone both in it's mechanics and it's community.

Now please drop this,

Originally Posted by Derubael

Let's try to remember that we all love and play Everquest here, regardless of whether we enjoy PvP or not.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly don't know me very well. I couldn't care less if you made a post in Red Server Chat advertising for blue. I think it'd be in bad taste, considering blue is 1000 population nightly, and Red is 200, but that doesn't mean I'd stop you.

Despite the fact that you and a small handful of others don't like them, these red server recruitment threads have brought players over to Red from Blue. Unfortunately, there is a consistent vocal minority of blue players who insist on trolling these threads. I'm just going to start deleting those posts. The CSR staff supports the posting of red recruitment threads in server chat, so long as they are tastefully done and don't get out of hand. Please accept that, move on, and stop trying to antagonize the red forum posters who are helping us spread the word about the widespread changes the red server has undergone both in it's mechanics and it's community.

Now please drop this,

Was going to reply but sent it to you in a PM instead of getting a forum ban for no reason.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to argue about this anymore - unless it gets out of hand (which it hasn't), the Red posts in "Blue" Server Chat are not going to go away. The posts complaining about them, however, will. A lot of time, effort, and work was put into the Red server lately by both the Development team and the CSR team, and we're thrilled that the red community (and a good number of people from the blue community as well!) want to share this experience with people from both servers.

Let's try to remember that we all love and play Everquest here, regardless of whether we enjoy PvP or not.

Sorry for the double post, but I am replying to these as I read them. This statement coming from the staff is petulant. I am behind you on the efforts to improve red. It takes a lot of work to preserve the quality of the game and get a whole community behind you. Huge kudos to the effort and the results.

I am not attacking your efforts to make red a better place, I am attacking the incessant need to trumpet news we have all seen over and over again. It would not take much effort at all to move the starting forum to its own line and have it include material relative to both servers. Starting new on P99 on either sever is going to overlap heavily in material anyway. If you want to make sure new players get a chance to try their hands at pvp, that is a great place to put these recruitment threats without spamming blue server forums.

(And it is the "blue" server forums. It is labeled as such. Just move the starter forum to its own slot above both red and blue sections so it is the first link people see before scrolling down and keep the recruitment posts and other relevant starting questions/information there.)