RE: Camping

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak for the whole playerbase. I'm sure that thread is filled with misinformation. But from what I remember, the real problem with the BDA thing is that there was a whole raid logged in and fighting halfway to Trakanon, and logs showed that a mob relatively close to Trakanon's lair had been killed recently. That's a huge difference from being camped at the zone in waiting for a coth. I think the rules allow for that difference.

Nope, Rogean clearly said in our suspension thread:

"the spirit of this rule should indiciate that it is unacceptable to have a raid force anywhere in the zone when a raid mob spawned, as it is an unfair advantage over the other guilds following the rules"

This was extrapolated from:

"Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location."

So I don't see how "the vicinity of raid targets" from:

"To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets."

would mean anything less than outside of the zone. Unless we're now making exceptions for violating the spirit of the rule.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, Rogean clearly said in our suspension thread:

"the spirit of this rule should indiciate that it is unacceptable to have a raid force anywhere in the zone when a raid mob spawned, as it is an unfair advantage over the other guilds following the rules"

This was extrapolated from:

"Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location."

So I don't see how "the vicinity of raid targets" from:

"To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets."

would mean anything less than outside of the zone. Unless we're now making exceptions for violating the spirit of the rule.

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

[Frogie305]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

LOGIC? GO AWAY LOGIC IS NOT ALLOWED!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

I know that. Focus on the phrases I bolded. If "at a raid spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone" then "in the vicinity of the raid target" must also mean "anywhere in the zone", regardless of what you are talking about. How can you possibly refute the English language?

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that. Focus on the phrases I bolded. If "at a raid spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone" then "in the vicinity of the raid target" must also mean "anywhere in the zone", regardless of what you are talking about. How can you possibly refute the English language?

Definitely still talking about characters actually logged in no? But yeh... what you have in bold means all the same... I suppose... Though it doesn't pertain to characters that are not actually logged in... meh

[Tanthallas]

The...zone in?

[Tanthallas]

If you want to raid the target in window, you sacrifice the ability to run around the zone like retards.

Your raid force waits at the zone in, other than two representatives / trackers who are allowed to be wherever the want doing retarded things.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your raid force waits at the zone in, other than two representatives / trackers who are allowed to be wherever the want doing retarded things.

If you go this route what constitutes the zone-in? you don't want to camp on all your friends so is 5 feet away ok? How about in TD Since zone-ins are on a boat, is the nearest land ok? Any land that that boat takes you to?

This leaves WAY too much for interpretation and rule-lawyering. If we want to make this all easier on both the staff and the playerbase, anything inside the zone (other than 2 reps) is off limits, anything outside of the zone is totally fair game.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you go this route what constitutes the zone-in? you don't want to camp on all your friends so is 5 feet away ok? How about in TD Since zone-ins are on a boat, is the nearest land ok? Any land that that boat takes you to?

This leaves WAY too much for interpretation and rule-lawyering. If we want to make this all easier on both the staff and the playerbase, anything inside the zone (other than 2 reps) is off limits, anything outside of the zone is totally fair game.

The god damn place you zone into the zone from.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you go this route what constitutes the zone-in? you don't want to camp on all your friends so is 5 feet away ok? How about in TD Since zone-ins are on a boat, is the nearest land ok? Any land that that boat takes you to?

This leaves WAY too much for interpretation and rule-lawyering. If we want to make this all easier on both the staff and the playerbase, anything inside the zone (other than 2 reps) is off limits, anything outside of the zone is totally fair game.

Ogre island in TD has been okay thus far. Zone lines for all other outdoor dragons. Wiz spire for Hate, Fear portal for Fear. Zone in at KC and Seb. Everything has been very civil so far. There has been no rule lawyering until right now arguably. I'd say this is more about people misunderstanding the rules than lawyering to get some advantage though.