Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not an exact system that I want to see. It really does have to be laid out for all. Please continue with full proposal.

I'd hate to butt into the affairs of the nonhardcores and try to dictate how they split up their share. As far as the size of the fractions, that much is up for discussion. There's really not much else than that aside from disallowing people from flipping between the hardcore and nonhardcore pools.

If you want exact figures, I'll have to get back to you after garnering input from my fellow guildmates.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hate to butt into the affairs of the nonhardcores and try to dictate how they split up their share. As far as the size of the fractions, that much is up for discussion. There's really not much else than that aside from disallowing people from flipping between the hardcore and nonhardcore pools.

If you want exact figures, I'll have to get back to you after garnering input from my fellow guildmates.

Sure, bounce it off your buddies. As it stands, I don't think most guilds outside FE/IB and TMO are going for a Trak/VS/CT FFA as it impedes epic and VP progress in the worst way at this point. There has to be a line drawn where the 'hardcores' stop for a second and the 'casuals' get a slice of that pie, and I hope you'll consider that. Also consider, BDA has a force ready in VP since the FFA-train-all-day days are over and will be using points/shares/whatever on that as well.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know it's not, you're just fighting it. An even split still puts you ahead by 2 years out of 2 years and 3* months.

*subject to change

So? We earned that time. You have every opportunity to compete with us.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So? We earned that time. You have every opportunity to compete with us.

We didn't. You won out for that long. Grats. Act like a human.

[baramur]

Expecting TMO and FE/IB to just roll over and offer up equal shares of mobs they have worked hard to get to, or spend the time parking and tracking is just utter stupidity. Now asking these 2 guilds to share a portion and give every other guild a chance to kill these mobs is perfectly acceptable. Just simplify it hugely and say 1st week of month fe/ib and Tmo will not raid, with exception to VP. Every other week its game on. If TMO/FE/IB want to agree to share others in the other 3 weeks they can talk amongst themselves and do so.

You act like guilds are ENTITLED to EQUAL shares of loot, with LESS effort put forth. And to me this just does not equate.

THIS equates to a 25 percent open mobs outside vp for every guild besides the top 2 on server. During this week the other guilds could set a limit so that no 3rd guild like BDA or Taken monopolizes the content. Seriously this is the simplest way to do it, its easy to say 1st through 8th of every month tmo/fe/ib are on raid break outside vp.

[Autotune]

putting guilds into hardcore and softcore is a temp patch and everyone knows it. It leaves no room for guilds to bridge the gap. It's no different that what TMO has suggested before, "We leave mobs up and as long as our 'competition' doesn't mess with it then we are okay with it."

Everyone should be on equal footing whenever they want to be, the only limit should be to make sure no guild can monopolize the raid targets.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There has to be a line drawn where the 'hardcores' stop for a second and the 'casuals' get a slice of that pie, and I hope you'll consider that.

That's exactly what I was suggesting - I thought it was obvious.

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also consider, BDA has a force ready in VP since the FFA-train-all-day days are over and will be using points/shares/whatever on that as well.

Especially considering that only 3 or 4 guilds are keyed for VP, and the fact that VP is the end-all Kunark raid zone, I don't realistically see there being a provision for rotation/points on VP mobs. Come race imo - I don't think competing on just VP should exclude you from being in the nonhardcore pool otherwise if that's what you want.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

putting guilds into hardcore and softcore is a temp patch and everyone knows it. It leaves no room for guilds to bridge the gap. It's no different that what TMO has suggested before, "We leave mobs up and as long as our 'competition' doesn't mess with it then we are okay with it."

Everyone should be on equal footing whenever they want to be, the only limit should be to make sure no guild can monopolize the raid targets.

I disagree - I think a hybrid system is the most straightforward system and accounts for the greatest number of playstyles.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Expecting TMO and FE/IB to just roll over and offer up equal shares of mobs they have worked hard to get to, or spend the time parking and tracking is just utter stupidity. Now asking these 2 guilds to share a portion and give every other guild a chance to kill these mobs is perfectly acceptable. Just simplify it hugely and say 1st week of month fe/ib and Tmo will not raid, with exception to VP. Every other week its game on. If TMO/FE/IB want to agree to share others in the other 3 weeks they can talk amongst themselves and do so.

You act like guilds are ENTITLED to EQUAL shares of loot, with LESS effort put forth. And to me this just does not equate.

Maybe they don't need to put forth as much effort then. No one's trying to make them log in at 5am for a loot, unlike the flip side.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's exactly what I was suggesting - I thought it was obvious.



Especially considering that only 3 or 4 guilds are keyed for VP, and the fact that VP is the end-all Kunark raid zone, I don't realistically see there being a provision for rotation/points on VP mobs. Come race imo - I don't think competing on just VP should exclude you from being in the nonhardcore pool otherwise if that's what you want.

Sorry man, I don't remember seeing a clear post on what you're getting at.

Not asking for a rotation on VP mobs but a SLIGHT point cost to SOMEWHAT deter VP capable guilds that kill those dragons from competing on _some level_ with the rest of the server on mobs that they want to kill. These guilds have access to 50% more dragons than non VP capable guilds and it should show in at least some way. I know a complete FFA VP has been advocated, but we think VP kills should definitely be weighed to some degree. My constituents think it should be weighed WAY more heavily than I do, but I just want to see it as some sort of deterrent to stop the slaying of maybe 1 or 2 mobs a month.

Jeremy, I think we can be on the same page with some work.