Game Mechanics: Blacksmithing Trivals

[Vandy]

Yes the various ornate armor should be consolidated into the normal non-metal enhanced version and the trivials should be adjusted accordingly.

[Vega]

I think that's right. It might not be what you want to hear, but it does seem from those links like maybe the fine plate needs to be changed aswell.

Nilbog, this actually brings up a question I had while thinking about this thread. I've only been on the server for a year or so. But I remember when I first started, looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that's right. It might not be what you want to hear, but it does seem from those links like maybe the fine plate needs to be changed aswell.

Nilbog, this actually brings up a question I had while thinking about this thread. I've only been on the server for a year or so. But I remember when I first started, looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

Not sure. Developers do not read or edit the wiki, so it's probably unreported bug issues. I don't think any of us know a lot about tradeskills, so we fix these as they are reported.

Looks like next patch will include substantial blacksmithing nerfs.

Fine plate:

fine plate collar 166 -> 182
fine plate bracer 168 -> 208
fine plate girdle 168 -> 228
fine plate boots 168 -> 228
fine plate vambraces 175 -> 228
fine plate pauldron 168 -> 222
fine plate gauntlets 175 -> 235
fine plate greaves/bp 182 -> 228
fine plate helm 179 -> 188
cloak 175 -> 222
visor 168 -> 195

edit: also these shields:

round shield 68 -> 115
targ shield 79 -> 135
kite shield 82 -> 155
tower shield 88 -> 175
buckler shield 62 -> 82

[Ravhin]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

While researching all this blacksmithing content for the wiki I discovered these discrepancies (that almost all trivials on p99 were set to "modern" values and that these were obviously different than they had been in classic).

I never put in a huge bug report on all these because, as Nilbog says, these numbers are very hard to track down and I wasn't 100% sure about anything (also you can see many of these numbers are upper limits/lower limits/uncertain in some way).

Looking briefly, it seems that the new numbers mentioned in this post agree with the "classic trivials" column from the wiki.

In general I would then say that this is just the tip of the iceberg, you can see (especially in cultural blacksmithing) that there are probably a few hundred more trivials that could use updating.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Ravhin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general I would then say that this is just the tip of the iceberg, you can see (especially in cultural blacksmithing) that there are probably a few hundred more trivials that could use updating.

Agreed.

If we can get some interest in this, I'm willing to query what the existing trivials are, and post those up for comparison. Need a list of items.

[kaev]

LOL, those aren't nerfs, they're enhancements! Skilling Blacksmithing was annoyingly expensive here with the low banded & fineplate trivials, but I couldn't recall when they had changed on live and wasn't really motivated to research the question since everybody was working with the same limitations anyway. This will be very cool if/when a server synced to classic timeline is opened.

[nilbog]

Pending update,

Ornate, Fine Plate, and shield trivials increased.

Ornate electrum, gold, and platinum chain recipes disabled.

Existing pieces of Ornate Electrum, Gold, and Platinum armors will be converted to regular Ornate chain pieces of the corresponding sizes.

[Vandy]

Are the trivials just the defaults from the peq database?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are the trivials just the defaults from the peq database?

No. It will be for some.. but after 4 years, no :T

Originally Posted by olderj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It appears that the trivials for "small" size banded mail are still at their pre-update values. I did not check "large".

Huffle

Fixed, pending update.

[olderj]

It appears that the trivials for "small" size banded mail are still at their pre-update values. I did not check "large".

Huffle