Why do people trash talk the Ranger?

[HippoNipple]

Rangers can be pretty sweet versus casters in duels, thats all I got.

[azeth]

pretty irreplaceable in PoP

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[Malrubius]

Why do people trash talk the Ranger?

The same reason Sir Edmund Hilary climbed Mout Everest - because it was there.

[Starwynd]

I've heard all the jokes, in fact, there were endless ranger jokes last night in the group I was in, however, it didn't deter me from continuing to play the game with the class I like. Yes, the class exp penalty sucks, especially paired with racial penalty, but I have not found a group that has outrightly refused to join me based on my class/race. Don't forget the essense of the character is the player behind the screen. I've grouped with people who had horrible skills, regardless of their class and race. Last night I was in a group with a failure-of-a-warrior who couldn't pull aggro off me when I pulled with a single bow-shot.

The job of a ranger is flexibility and although not as powerful compared to when I played on Live w/ PoP, rangers can hold a variety of jobs including light healing, crowd control (snare and then root later on), class-specific buffs and two major components to being a well-rounded rangre - use of ARCHERY and PULLING. For the past two nights in Oasis, I have been the main puller for 7 continuous hours of grouping (ya, a bit of overplay for sure). If people claim that rangers do not add that much DPS to the group, then fine, do what you do best - and it's to chain pull mobs so that as the tanks mob falls on the ground, the new one arrives. While you do not have sneak/hide likes rogues (at lower levels) and FD to rely on, using a combination of a watchful eye for adds/paths to take, you can easily single out mobs using bow/arrow or a combination of spells which allow for fast pulls (any DD spell) or slow pulls (snare) - the optimal condition is to not overburden the group with too many mobs at a time.

Playing a class is about using the unique abilities and making the best out of it, not about a "greater" or more "superior" class. Also, refining your gaming skills is what makes a good player, because a level 50 character with a player that has no gaming capacity will fail much more than the level 1 soloing in gfay. My character is by-no-means a twink char as I'm poor and underequipped, but a few levels ago in CB and Unrest, I was the MA with a fully effective group. The group compoisition was messed but we made amazing exp, 1 ranger, 3 clerics and 2 druids. Finding a zone and mobs that work for you when in a group depending on your role is key to success. While I might not have pushed out great DPS, the clerics with their v.s undead nukes won our exp over as long as I could hold aggro (flame lick + snare + taunt/beg).

For the most part when ranger jokes come along, I just ignore them because if you let it get to you, then it's just like letting someone provoke you into a fight. If I group with someone who I deem to be a poor player or poor attitude, I simply will not friend them at the end of the group, but I will continue to play professionally for the sake of the other members. If you want revenge on a particular person 'cuz they're mouthy, do it after the group - a nice train or high-level mob ought to shut them up most of the time - track makes it easy to find mobs that would naturally slaughter them. Snare the mob, sit near the person you want to kill as the mob walks over slowly and /camp out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I played on Live, I never really struggled with getting a group, as much as I've seen similar postings on forums where "rangers have it bad" and stuff. If you're finding problems getting a group, you have one of two options available, 1) make more friends when you DO have a group so you can rely on getting groups via connections and, 2) create your own groups. I'm not sure how I adopted myself to this playing style, but I've found rangers to be extremely versatile and learning to chain pull with good timing often wins over the hearts of many. Don't forget the exp penalties can easily be made up by consistent exp. A group that spends half their time doing CR's or sitting to med is no better off.

Keep in mind that because rangers are paper-tanks for most things above white cons, you should dump the mob as quickly as possible to your tank or better yet, have a competent tank who can get the aggro off you before you even get hit as you're pulling. Just last night I had a horrible experience with a completely incompetent warrior (funny that he left the group because he was the one who caused the death), so I enjoy the company of pally's or SK's because of their ability to prevent me from taking damage and thus healers can dedciate more time to healing the tank and reduce expending mana on me.

The thing about forming groups yourself is that you can "bite back". Keep a blacklist or poor players and players who have previously denied you grouping rights because of your class (which I have on an excel spreadsheet for searching purposes) and when they come asking you to join the group, tell them to piss off and remind them of their previous actions. It's not nice, but maybe it'll show them how karma works. I honestly prefer to make friends more than enemies, especially because in EQ, your reputation matters and will severely impact your ability to get or not get groups in the higher levels when there are dwindling number of players. If you create a good name for yourself, getting groups as a ranger is not hard at all and you will find that there is lesser negative-talk to rangers if you can prove yourself to be worthy of company.

[Koota]

Originally Posted by Starwynd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've heard all the jokes, in fact, there were endless ranger jokes last night in the group I was in, however, it didn't deter me from continuing to play the game with the class I like. Yes, the class exp penalty sucks, especially paired with racial penalty, but I have not found a group that has outrightly refused to join me based on my class/race. Don't forget the essense of the character is the player behind the screen. I've grouped with people who had horrible skills, regardless of their class and race. Last night I was in a group with a failure-of-a-warrior who couldn't pull aggro off me when I pulled with a single bow-shot.

The job of a ranger is flexibility and although not as powerful compared to when I played on Live w/ PoP, rangers can hold a variety of jobs including light healing, crowd control (snare and then root later on), class-specific buffs and two major components to being a well-rounded rangre - use of ARCHERY and PULLING. For the past two nights in Oasis, I have been the main puller for 7 continuous hours of grouping (ya, a bit of overplay for sure). If people claim that rangers do not add that much DPS to the group, then fine, do what you do best - and it's to chain pull mobs so that as the tanks mob falls on the ground, the new one arrives. While you do not have sneak/hide likes rogues (at lower levels) and FD to rely on, using a combination of a watchful eye for adds/paths to take, you can easily single out mobs using bow/arrow or a combination of spells which allow for fast pulls (any DD spell) or slow pulls (snare) - the optimal condition is to not overburden the group with too many mobs at a time.

Playing a class is about using the unique abilities and making the best out of it, not about a "greater" or more "superior" class. Also, refining your gaming skills is what makes a good player, because a level 50 character with a player that has no gaming capacity will fail much more than the level 1 soloing in gfay. My character is by-no-means a twink char as I'm poor and underequipped, but a few levels ago in CB and Unrest, I was the MA with a fully effective group. The group compoisition was messed but we made amazing exp, 1 ranger, 3 clerics and 2 druids. Finding a zone and mobs that work for you when in a group depending on your role is key to success. While I might not have pushed out great DPS, the clerics with their v.s undead nukes won our exp over as long as I could hold aggro (flame lick + snare + taunt/beg).

For the most part when ranger jokes come along, I just ignore them because if you let it get to you, then it's just like letting someone provoke you into a fight. If I group with someone who I deem to be a poor player or poor attitude, I simply will not friend them at the end of the group, but I will continue to play professionally for the sake of the other members. If you want revenge on a particular person 'cuz they're mouthy, do it after the group - a nice train or high-level mob ought to shut them up most of the time - track makes it easy to find mobs that would naturally slaughter them. Snare the mob, sit near the person you want to kill as the mob walks over slowly and /camp out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I played on Live, I never really struggled with getting a group, as much as I've seen similar postings on forums where "rangers have it bad" and stuff. If you're finding problems getting a group, you have one of two options available, 1) make more friends when you DO have a group so you can rely on getting groups via connections and, 2) create your own groups. I'm not sure how I adopted myself to this playing style, but I've found rangers to be extremely versatile and learning to chain pull with good timing often wins over the hearts of many. Don't forget the exp penalties can easily be made up by consistent exp. A group that spends half their time doing CR's or sitting to med is no better off.

Keep in mind that because rangers are paper-tanks for most things above white cons, you should dump the mob as quickly as possible to your tank or better yet, have a competent tank who can get the aggro off you before you even get hit as you're pulling. Just last night I had a horrible experience with a completely incompetent warrior (funny that he left the group because he was the one who caused the death), so I enjoy the company of pally's or SK's because of their ability to prevent me from taking damage and thus healers can dedciate more time to healing the tank and reduce expending mana on me.

The thing about forming groups yourself is that you can "bite back". Keep a blacklist or poor players and players who have previously denied you grouping rights because of your class (which I have on an excel spreadsheet for searching purposes) and when they come asking you to join the group, tell them to piss off and remind them of their previous actions. It's not nice, but maybe it'll show them how karma works. I honestly prefer to make friends more than enemies, especially because in EQ, your reputation matters and will severely impact your ability to get or not get groups in the higher levels when there are dwindling number of players. If you create a good name for yourself, getting groups as a ranger is not hard at all and you will find that there is lesser negative-talk to rangers if you can prove yourself to be worthy of company.

tl;dr

[guineapig]

I just thought I should add this.

I was recently in a kick-ass BnB group with a ranger as our tank. Group consisted of a Bard, enchanter, monk (puller), rogue and druid. That's right the only healer was a level 47 druid and the tank was a 47 or 48 ranger. Stayed there for hours. Not a single death, steady exp. No down time except for AFK or LD.

The ranger was getting nothing but 270HP greater heals and group regen and was using flame lick and root.

Fuck all the haters!

[Abacab-insurection]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BnB group with a ranger as our tank. Group consisted of a Bard, enchanter, monk (puller), rogue and druid.

Fuck all the haters!

I bolded the things that MADE that group work... I'm sorry but playing an SK I can pull several mobs and tank them just fine. Let's see your ranger chain pull like that for an AoE group

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Abacab-insurection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but playing an SK I can pull several mobs and feign death and train the shit out of your group.

Fixed it for ya. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Abacab-insurection]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixed it for ya. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you! You know me waaay to well <3

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Abacab-insurection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh you! You know me waaay to well <3

Just wanted to make it more realistic. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]