Russians Behind DNC attack!

[Jarnauga]

For reference:

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

American scientific associations agreeing on humande made climate change:

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.S. Global Change Research Program

and Worldwide:

    Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
    Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
    Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
    Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
    Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
    Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
    Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
    Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
    Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Académie des Sciences, France
    Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
    Academy of Athens
    Academy of Science of Mozambique
    Academy of Science of South Africa
    Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
    Academy of Sciences Malaysia
    Academy of Sciences of Moldova
    Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
    Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
    Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
    Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
    Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
    Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
    African Academy of Sciences
    Albanian Academy of Sciences
    Amazon Environmental Research Institute
    American Academy of Pediatrics
    American Anthropological Association
    American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
    American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
    American Astronomical Society
    American Chemical Society
    American College of Preventive Medicine
    American Fisheries Society
    American Geophysical Union
    American Institute of Biological Sciences
    American Institute of Physics
    American Meteorological Society
    American Physical Society
    American Public Health Association
    American Quaternary Association
    American Society for Microbiology
    American Society of Agronomy
    American Society of Civil Engineers
    American Society of Plant Biologists
    American Statistical Association
    Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
    Australian Academy of Science
    Australian Bureau of Meteorology
    Australian Coral Reef Society
    Australian Institute of Marine Science
    Australian Institute of Physics
    Australian Marine Sciences Association
    Australian Medical Association
    Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society  
    Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
    Botanical Society of America
    Brazilian Academy of Sciences
    British Antarctic Survey
    Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
    California Academy of Sciences
    Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    Canadian Association of Physicists
    Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    Canadian Geophysical Union
    Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    Canadian Society of Soil Science
    Canadian Society of Zoologists
    Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
    Center for International Forestry Research
    Chinese Academy of Sciences
    Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
    Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
    Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
    Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Crop Science Society of America
    Cuban Academy of Sciences
    Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
    Ecological Society of America
    Ecological Society of Australia
    Environmental Protection Agency
    European Academy of Sciences and Arts
    European Federation of Geologists
    European Geosciences Union
    European Physical Society
    European Science Foundation
    Federation of American Scientists
    French Academy of Sciences
    Geological Society of America
    Geological Society of Australia
    Geological Society of London
    Georgian Academy of Sciences  
    German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina  
    Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Indian National Science Academy
    Indonesian Academy of Sciences  
    Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
    Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
    Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
    Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
    InterAcademy Council
    International Alliance of Research Universities
    International Arctic Science Committee
    International Association for Great Lakes Research
    International Council for Science
    International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
    International Research Institute for Climate and Society
    International Union for Quaternary Research
    International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
    Islamic World Academy of Sciences
    Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
    Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    Korean Academy of Science and Technology
    Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
    l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    Latin American Academy of Sciences
    Latvian Academy of Sciences
    Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
    Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
    Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
    Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
    National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
    National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
    National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
    National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
    National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
    National Aeronautics and Space Administration  
    National Association of Geoscience Teachers
    National Association of State Foresters
    National Center for Atmospheric Research  
    National Council of Engineers Australia
    National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    National Research Council
    National Science Foundation
    Natural England
    Natural Environment Research Council, UK
    Natural Science Collections Alliance
    Network of African Science Academies
    New York Academy of Sciences
    Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
    Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
    Oklahoma Climatological Survey
    Organization of Biological Field Stations
    Pakistan Academy of Sciences
    Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
    Pew Center on Global Climate Change
    Polish Academy of Sciences
    Romanian Academy
    Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
    Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
    Royal Astronomical Society, UK
    Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
    Royal Irish Academy
    Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
    Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
    Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
    Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
    Royal Society of Canada
    Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
    Royal Society of the United Kingdom
    Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
    Russian Academy of Sciences
    Science and Technology, Australia  
    Science Council of Japan
    Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
    Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
    Scripps Institution of Oceanography
    Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    Slovak Academy of Sciences
    Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    Society for Ecological Restoration International
    Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
    Society of American Foresters   
    Society of Biology (UK)   
    Society of Systematic Biologists
    Soil Science Society of America  
    Sudan Academy of Sciences
    Sudanese National Academy of Science
    Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    The Wildlife Society (international)
    Turkish Academy of Sciences
    Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
    United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
    Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
    World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
    World Federation of Public Health Associations
    World Forestry Congress
    World Health Organization
    World Meteorological Organization
    Zambia Academy of Sciences
    Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

List is not exhaustive of course..

You remind me of this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGgiGtJk7MA or the grinch guy that think that "i feel that we're not safe" despite the fact that the FBI (which is not the communist party of the USA) numbers shows it's wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that's just insane. pure insanity.

[maskedmelon]

Since I currently lack the knowledge to effectively debate specifics (though none have been presented), I am going to simply demonstrate the absurdity of professing anthropogenic climate change based on 150 years of climate data.

Our wet Rock has been floating through space for

4,500,000,000 years

Land life has been here about 1/9th of that, or

500,000,000 years

What do you suppose is the statistical significance of 150 years of climate data?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I currently lack the knowledge to effectively debate specifics (though none have been presented), I am going to simply demonstrate the absurdity of professing anthropogenic climate change based on 150 years of climate data.

Our wet Rock has been floating through space for

4,500,000,000 years

Land life has been here about 1/9th of that, or

500,000,000 years

What do you suppose is the statistical significance of 150 years of climate data?

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Bernie-worshipping climate change nerds gonna be mad about this 1.

[maskedmelon]

To illustrate my point. Let's watch the Russell 2000 for the next 24 hours and then use that data to identify the effect of the newest addition on the index's overall performance.

If we are really ambitious we can use this data to make generalizations about the index fund's history going back 9000 years.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I currently lack the knowledge to effectively debate specifics (though none have been presented), I am going to simply demonstrate the absurdity of professing anthropogenic climate change based on 150 years of climate data.

Our wet Rock has been floating through space for

4,500,000,000 years

Land life has been here about 1/9th of that, or

500,000,000 years

What do you suppose is the statistical significance of 150 years of climate data?

1. They are using thousands of years of climate data to compare the last 150 years to the last few thousand, which tells us what is happening now is very rare and corresponds to what we should be expecting given models and the concentration of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

2. We know the mechanics of the Greenhouse Effect-- we know that increasing concentrations of certain gasses in the atmosphere trap heat and result in a Ruth Bader Ginsberg machine of side effects and feedback loops that ultimately result in higher temperatures and/or warmer oceans. We see this play out on Venus, which has a runaway greenhouse effect, and Mars, which has none at all. We see it in Earth's history through fossil records and chemical analysis of ancient samples. Obviously there are all kinds of different properties on those planets but it's just a simple example. (90% confidence interval here)

3. We know that the dramatically increasing concentration of greenhouse gasses are due to human-related emissions.

150 years is particularly significant because the changes we've observed rarely happen so rapidly.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you suppose is the statistical significance of 150 years of climate data?

While I have no opinion on what y'all are talking about.

I would say that sometime around 1700's to the present day. There has been a huge impact on the environment created by humans via chemicals. Of which had never previously been mass introduced to the ecosystem of the planet. so I think there is justified reasons to consider the last ~300+ years in an excluded study.

For example:
Regulators want to allow more toxic chemicals in Florida’s water
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e91731227.html

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[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I currently lack the knowledge to effectively debate specifics (though none have been presented), I am going to simply demonstrate the absurdity of professing anthropogenic climate change based on 150 years of climate data.

Our wet Rock has been floating through space for

4,500,000,000 years

Land life has been here about 1/9th of that, or

500,000,000 years

What do you suppose is the statistical significance of 150 years of climate data?

150 years of climate data is not all we have. Atmospheric concentrations of gases can be extrapolated from data taken from rock/soil layers as has already been mentioned in this thread. I'd elaborate further but I'm sure Moloch's servants will just parrot a mistrust for these methods either way.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is an important point and deserves quoting ^^

The "97 percent" figure in the Zimmerman/Doran survey represents the views of only 79 respondents who listed climate science as an area of expertise and said they published more than half of their recent peer-reviewed papers on climate change. Seventy-nine scientists—of the 3,146 who responded to the survey—does not a consensus make. WSJ: The Myth of the Climate Change '97%'


Also:

"Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous."

There is lots published on the fake numbers, it's hard to miss. Most of those 3k polled had no clue about the field, most not even scientists, and the poll choices were rigged. We never get truth out of this administration, numbers are always manipulated if not just outright invented. The 40% is probably closer to the truth.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Surveys of meteorologists repeatedly find a majority oppose the alleged consensus. Only 39.5% of 1,854 American Meteorological Society members who responded to a survey in 2012 said man-made global warming is dangerous."

There is lots published on the fake numbers, it's hard to miss. Mast of those 3k polled had no clue about the field, most not even scientists, and the poll choices were rigged. We never get truth out of this administration, numbers are always manipulated if not just outright invented. The 40% is probably closer to the truth.

Sounds to me like 60% of weathermen are Republican

Also asking whether it's dangerous is different than asking whether it is real.

I don't even agree that it's inherently dangerous. I don't think we know what all the effects will be. They may even be good.

[Jarnauga]

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People still spout this myth? hahahaha!
What do I care about 79 selected "scientists" churning out a 97% consensus in accordance with their bring home the bacon peer-review papers?
What parallel universe do you come from where there are only 79 scientists in the "world"?

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...1/4/048002/pdf

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Damn that's a lot more than "79 selected scientists" is it..?

See ? i did all the work that you the free-thinking-no-bias-patriot should have done, and it took me 10 minutes. Granted that it's longer than going on infowars and reading a 200 words "article".