Sand? In my Vagina?

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

Originally Posted by Koota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people feel the need to be washed in bullshit politeness just because they come here. As classic as you want this experience to be, the Customer Service is not going to be. For one really simple fucking reason, too. These guys don't get paid. And you aren't spending money to pay their rent.

That's a dumb concept, it shows that moral, just and proper behavior is thrown out the window for something so shallow as not being paid to do this. P99 is a volunteer project by nature no one is forcing these people to develop, no one is forcing these people to police the server, in fact if they jumped ship there would be a list of people ready to replace them because that is the nature of volunteering, I could GM this server with less scrutiny simply because of my "no ban" policy, I refuse to ban people and I refuse to police to population.

So when you sit here and say:

These guys don't get paid. And you aren't spending money to pay their rent

like it's some excuse for lackluster/abrasive behavior it almost makes me wonder... When I volunteer to feed the homeless every Thanksgiving it's a rule that the homeless population don't take more than one piece of pie, but sometimes they take two because they're hungry, I could enforce the rule and ban them from the pie table and send them right back out into the freezing cold weather hungry, but I don't.

By that same logic because I don't get paid, and these people aren't paying me rent when one of them breaks a rule of the Flanner house, I should ban them then proceed to go on WISHTV-8 verbally assaulting them and posting their info all over for the community to see...

Then again, I'm not power-tripping over a 100% volunteer project that I could walk away from at any time with no questions asked, I'm not flying off the handle because I'm dealing with some of the most mentally unstable people the city has to offer for 8 hours at a time, so I don't see why that argument has any weight whatsoever...

IMHO people who act like dicks and use the "volunteer" card to justify their piss-poor behavior are simply shallow pricks that hold every moral and ethical thought and decision against the weight of the dollar, and that my friend is why certain people in this world are such terrible human beings

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Abacab "The REAL truth" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a dumb concept, it shows that moral, just and proper behavior is thrown out the window for something so shallow as not being paid to do this. P99 is a volunteer project by nature no one is forcing these people to develop, no one is forcing these people to police the server, in fact if they jumped ship there would be a list of people ready to replace them because that is the nature of volunteering, I could GM this server with less scrutiny simply because of my "no ban" policy, I refuse to ban people and I refuse to police to population.

So when you sit here and say:



like it's some excuse for lackluster/abrasive behavior it almost makes me wonder... When I volunteer to feed the homeless every Thanksgiving it's a rule that the homeless population don't take more than one piece of pie, but sometimes they take two because they're hungry, I could enforce the rule and ban them from the pie table and send them right back out into the freezing cold weather hungry, but I don't.

By that same logic because I don't get paid, and these people aren't paying me rent when one of them breaks a rule of the Flanner house, I should ban them then proceed to go on WISHTV-8 verbally assaulting them and posting their info all over for the community to see...

Then again, I'm not power-tripping over a 100% volunteer project that I could walk away from at any time with no questions asked, I'm not flying off the handle because I'm dealing with some of the most mentally unstable people the city has to offer for 8 hours at a time, so I don't see why that argument has any weight whatsoever...

IMHO people who act like dicks and use the "volunteer" card to justify their piss-poor behavior are simply shallow pricks that hold every moral and ethical thought and decision against the weight of the dollar, and that my friend is why certain people in this world are such terrible human beings

ban

[Uthgaard]

Someone interested in privacy doesn't cry publically about their extremely minor suspension because they didn't get a response in 10 minutes.

There are only two rules in R&F, and Ingrum posted them both.

Some random idiot who cries on the forums and tries to pull a fast one on the staff != a community member. Quite the opposite, the community gets better every time one of these filters themselves out. This server isn't a right, it's a privelege. If you're more trouble than you're worth, everyone is better off without you.

[Xukko]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone interested in privacy doesn't cry publically about their extremely minor suspension because they didn't get a response in 10 minutes.

There are only two rules in R&F, and Ingrum posted them both.

Some random idiot who cries on the forums and tries to pull a fast one on the staff != a community member. Quite the opposite, the community gets better every time one of these filters themselves out. This server isn't a right, it's a privelege. If you're more trouble than you're worth, everyone is better off without you.

I mentioned my suspension publicly, in the rant in flames, letting off some steam - thinking this was the place to do that. That really didn't merit you posting my personal forum information for everyone to see, now did it?

I've already read them both, and I already responded to it.

And I was not crying - I was mad and venting. Also just thought people should know what merits a 3 day ban. Apparently.. breathing.

[Abacab "The REAL truth"]

I've always been a firm believer in that R&F shouldn't be moderated unless obvious illegal activity is occurring within due to liability issues (I.E bomb threats, dropping addresses, and illicit material) basically anything that can get the FBI or some lawsuit rolling in with full force. People come to this sub-forum specifically to vent, post stupid shit, attention whore and or troll which is the nature of this forum being marked NSFW in order to pool this material away from off-topic and general chat which related directly to server discussion or more intellectual discussions.

I'm also a fair believer in that in-game bans should only be warranted if the "integrity" of the server is put into question. Obviously you want to remove hacks and exploits and the people that abuse those things because it compromises the sever on all levels from the players to the staff by dragging the name of the server through mire and putting the database at risk... However I don't believe player disputes should warrant banishment from the community considering those are isolated incidents which do not harm the server integrity only the pride and ego of those involved.

As to why R&F posts and player disputes are policed so heavily, and far more maliciously than any other infraction is beyond my comprehension. As to why the staff takes such a heavy-handed approach to player squabbles and much more frequently than people abusing exploits or blatantly 2boxing, using showEQ and detrimental posts in other sub-forums is rather odd.

Again Uthgaard and several other staff members are taking the roll of "beat cops" in a sense they're cracking down on generally harmless and somewhat mundane issues and further tarnishing player relations on all fronts by creating an atmosphere of "walking on egg-shells"granted we play by privilege but you also rule by privilege and it doesn't make any sense to consistently respond to allegations in such a malicious way, or routinely and zealously police threads about the subject.

[Ruinous]

^ Word

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone interested in privacy doesn't cry publically about their extremely minor suspension because they didn't get a response in 10 minutes.

There are only two rules in R&F, and Ingrum posted them both.

Some random idiot who cries on the forums and tries to pull a fast one on the staff != a community member. Quite the opposite, the community gets better every time one of these filters themselves out. This server isn't a right, it's a privelege. If you're more trouble than you're worth, everyone is better off without you.

Someone with a troll account tried to trick you, glad you banned his ass because of that. Not to mention ranting in this area not even thinking about how he is putting together his words. Pshaw.

Ban his ass instantly, dude even talked shit about GMs.

No prisoners.

[vitalious]

QQ

[Salty]

no prisoners bros. basketball ref lyfe

[Rogean]

Hey lets have this conversation for the 100th time.

Staff members aren't allowed (or aren't suppose to) divulge information about a ban or suspension to anyone but other staff members or the account owner. Therefor, allowing people to post in Rants and Flames going OH MY GOD I GOT BANNED FOR >THIS< BECAUSE OF >THIS (Biased)< EVIDENCE.. People read their posts and get only their version of the story because the staff isn't allowed to post to defend their actions. That is why it is not allowed. And of course the reason that anyone crying in R&F about their ban is 90% of the time leaving out details or skewing the details in their favor, and at the same time usually insulting us. No reason we have to put up with that shit, we aren't a paid customer service team.

And if we catch you lying on petitions you better expect there to be action taken against you, also something we aren't putting up with.. it wastes everyone's time when that happens.