Bin Laden's dead

[Gwence]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And guess what? It's not two sides to a story. It's two interpretations of the same story.



You're welcome.

Sorry I'm failing to see any difference between those two phrases. A person's interpretation is their "side" or perspective. Nice try with the word manipulation though, maybe your career as a lawyer has some small measure of potential.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry I'm failing to see any difference between those two phrases. A person's interpretation is their "side" or perspective. Nice try with the word manipulation though, maybe your career as a lawyer has some small measure of potential.

You don't see a difference? That's not surprising. You're an idiot.

The "perspectives" of 9/11, on both the US and Al Qaeda sides, involve Al Qaeda flying planes into buildings with the intent to kill civilians. As many as possible. Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened. The only difference of opinion is over the context of the attacks -- not the attacks themselves.

There's no "side" that DOESN'T make Osama a mass murderer.

[wehrmacht]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened.

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

You have to be trolling. He initially denied it but then took credit. I remember he finally admitted to it right before the Bush/Kerry election because it gave Bush an opening to hammer the 9/11 drum even harder for the last few weeks.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He skipped my post and went for the soft target, abacab.

I don't even know why you're bringing up the legal system. This argument is objective vs subjective reality.

He posted first -- you've got to wait your turn.

And no, my opinion isn't based on disbelief over the concept of the media or the government lying to me. The government lies all the time. My opinion is based on a historical understanding of fact reporting and conspiracy theories. For a conspiracy theory to be effective, there have to be a very limited number of perpetrators. The more people "in on it", the more unlikely the conspiracy -- and the more likely it is for the conspiracy to be uncovered.

Outside of every major news network and every major political figure -- both Democrat and Republican -- here's a list of organizations and people that have argued against conspiracy theories behind the 9/11 attacks: the US National Institute of Standards and Technology, Popular Mechanics magazine, the 9/11 Commission Report, Noam Chomsky, MIT Engineering Professor Thomas Eagar, Bill Moyers, and most of the Civil Engineering department at BYU. That's what I uncovered in, oh, 5 minutes. I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds more.

For there to be a conspiracy theory, all of these people would have to be in on it. There is not one legitimate, mainstream organization that a) is in a position to know, and b) has come out and supported the legitimacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories. You cannot get thousands of people in on a conspiracy theory as horrific as mass murder without it leaking out over the course of a decade. It is not logical.

[Theldios]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to be trolling. He initially denied it but then took credit. I remember he finally admitted to it right before the Bush/Kerry election because it gave Bush an opening to hammer the 9/11 drum even harder for the last few weeks.

Yes he did admit to it

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.
source
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/..._10-29-04.html

[Gwence]

The "perspectives" of 9/11, on both the US and Al Qaeda sides, involve Al Qaeda flying planes into buildings with the intent to kill civilians. As many as possible. Both sides agree that Al Qaeda was responsible for the events of 9/11. There's no debate from either "side" over what happened. The only difference of opinion is over the context of the attacks -- not the attacks themselves.

the 2 phrases are still the same thing lol

I doubt the act of killing people in large amounts was the motivation behind the 9/11 attacks. I'd wager it was more along the lines of taking a chunk out of our economic trade security and government (one plane was headed for the pentagon). They aren't stupid, anyone can kill people. I'd bet their planning was based on how best they could cripple the country as a whole with what they had. I'm sure taking out as many people as possible was factored in, but if that was their only objective they probably would've been more successful flying planes into sold out sporting events or concerts etc.

Notice Im not speaking in absolutes, I very well could be wrong. Unlike you I can accept that I do not have all the facts and therefore can't speak in anything but opinion. Continue to be as naive as you possibly can, I wont stop you!

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by Turtles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tons of text

You must have a pretty light course load...

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by Gwence [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the 2 phrases are still the same thing lol

No, they're not -- lol.

Alright, this is going to be my last response to you. Abacab and Wehrmacht can at least respond. I have to slow things down word by word to even get you to follow. Here we go, buckle your helmet on and read slowly:

Context. Is. Irrelevant. To. The. Matter. Of. Whether. Or. Not. Bin. Laden. Is. Responsible. For. Murdering. Thousands. Of. Innocent. People. On. September. Eleventh. 2001.

Whether the Al Qaeda side of the story involves us raping their land, Muhammad thinking we're kind of gay, or Osama just being in a shitty mood that day, everyone -- read: the US government and Al Qaeda -- has agreed that:

a) Al Qaeda, with bin Laden as its leader, perpetrated the attacks of 9/11.
b) Thousands of innocent people died in the attacks.

Thus: Osama is a mass murderer.

Just sit tight for a couple minutes. Let it swirl around. Stop chasing shiny objects. Shit will settle soon.

[Turtles]

Originally Posted by wehrmacht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but that's completely false. Bin Laden denied being responsible September 16, 2001:

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/u...-omar?_s=PM:US

Eh, people have beaten me to it, but I'll respond anyway.

It's not completely false. It's completely true. See the links posted by others.