Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found the VQ guildy

I've been in EC tunnels for the past several days and never saw a guild with the abbreviation VQ, is this a meme or am I missing something?

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you people like DSM?

Does this even need to be said at this point?

The man thinks shaman is a better group DPS than mage. He thinks root rotting what his other group members do in a group is logical, and data collected about a solo situation would play out the same as a group situation.

Don't need to be a genius at EverQuest to see how absurd that is.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does this even need to be said at this point?

The man thinks shaman is a better group DPS than mage. He thinks root rotting what his other group members do in a group is logical, and data collected about a solo situation would play out the same as a group situation.

Don't need to be a genius at EverQuest to see how absurd that is.

he's also just a generally rude and hypocritical individual who tries to act holier than thou while acting the same way he criticizes others for acting

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by eqravenprince [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you people like DSM? From what I've seen his posts are well thought out. Lot of times he posts evidence/logs. And he rarely if ever resorts to insults. A lot of negativity towards him, makes me lose a little faith in humanity.

Thanks for the support.

I can only assume people are angry because they like to have a bit of mystery in Everquest, and when I provide data, it removes said mystery. I understand why that would make people upset. That is not my intent, I just want the truth.

It is much easier to simply claim a Mage has great DPS than to look at the data and realize that isn't really the case. Mages are basically Wizards with a 45 DPS pet instead of ports and CC. A rogue will out DPS them any day of the week, just like they out DPS Wizards. Knowing this probably sucks some of the fun out of the Mage class, so again I understand why people would get upset.

It is the same issue with Shaman DPS. They will continue to claim my data isn't accurate, but they have yet to provide any evidence for this claim. Nor can they, because the videos I provided are how you compare DPS across classes. They don't realize that if you are going off of group data, the data may be skewed. You could easily parse a Shaman's DPS higher than a Mage's DPS in a group where the Mage pet keeps dying due to player mistakes.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

he's also just a generally rude and hypocritical individual who tries to act holier than thou while acting the same way he criticizes others for acting

This is unfounded and not supported by my post history. The only time I am rude is after someone starts attacking me. I am allowed to defend myself. I am not hypocritical either. People typically just read my comments incorrectly (on accident or on purpose), and think I said something else. I will 100% admit that I am not perfect, and my posts are not always written in the best manner. But neither are the posts from other people.

You are giving the people who just insult/meme/troll for 800+ posts a pass, while only targeting me. It is obvious you just don't like me specifically for whatever reason. Otherwise you would be criticizing the other posters too.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This pisses me off so much. He constantly plays the "I'm just posting data gais. Want an honest conversation" card while very very obviously not wanting an honest conversation and not arguing honestly. He's a bigger troll than the rest of us combined.

This is a very bad attempt at trying to hide the fact that over half of your total posts on this forum are just posts insulting/memeing me. You are the troll, I am not.

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's only won in his mind.

Objective reality completely disagrees with him.

Finally, I am not sure why you think this. Troxx and PlsNoBan, two people who have been against me from the start, have agreed with what I said on page 2:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Enchanters are providing the vast majority of the DPS via charmed pets. The Mage pet isn't doing that much.

That has been the entire point of my argument. The DPS of the fourth member is irrelevant, and you are simply picking Mage due to preference, not objective fact. The reason why I started looking into DPS data was to show the gap between Mages and Shamans isn't as high as you think in support of this argument. This is still true based on the data given so far. Again, nobody in this thread has provided evidence to prove the videos/logs/math I have provided are incorrect.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are giving the people who just insult/meme/troll for 800+ posts a pass, while only targeting me. It is obvious you just don't like me specifically for whatever reason. Otherwise you would be criticizing the other posters too.

Who else has nearly 800 posts in this thread? You're literally the only person even close to that number.

Plenty of people have proven you wrong. When they start trolling you is when you refuse to admit that they proved you wrong and then act all sanctimonious toward them. If someone wanted to take the immense amount of time required to go back through your nearly 800 posts in this thread they would see this theme play out: Someone proves you wrong, you refuse to admit it, and when you do that long enough the person starts trolling you because you're being absurd and then you go "see!?!?!?!?! they're just a troll they're irrelevant!!!!!!"

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who else has nearly 800 posts in this thread? You're literally the only person even close to that number.

Plenty of people have proven you wrong. When they start trolling you is when you refuse to admit that they proved you wrong and then act all sanctimonious toward them. If someone wanted to take the immense amount of time required to go back through your nearly 800 posts in this thread they would see this theme play out: Someone proves you wrong, you refuse to admit it, and when you do that long enough the person starts trolling you because you're being absurd and then you go "see!?!?!?!?! they're just a troll they're irrelevant!!!!!!"

PlsNoBan has 319 posts so far, the vast majority of them are literally just insults and memes.

Troxx has 261 posts so far, the vast majority of them are literally just insults and memes.

Cyxthryth has 151 posts so far, all of them are copy/paste nonsense.

That means the top 3 posters by themselves have around 700 posts that have nothing to do with the conversation, other than trolling. This isn't counting the lower post count people who have been trolling too. That easily makes their numbers over 800. Spreading the trolling around to multiple users doesn't make it better.

Just saying "Plenty of people have proven you wrong" doesn't make that correct. Please show me where you think they did prove me wrong.

I do not concede to trolls and fallacious arguments. That does not make me a troll. The people who have accumulated 800+ posts that are simply insults and memes are. If insults and memes with no context to the discussion aren't in your definition of trolling, you have a strange definition of trolling.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's already admitted his preference for shaman is because of "safety" which isn't needed with a group with 2 encs and a cleric that knows what they're doing. He's entitled to his preferences and opinions. Mage (or necro) is objectively a better choice if you're playing with a high quality group of players that has no need for a shaman to correct their mistakes and prevent what otherwise would have been a wipe.

They are not objectively better, because you can see the DPS breakpoints with simple math. You prefer to kill things a tiny bit faster, but unless you are playing for extremely long sessions, you won't benefit from the slightly faster kill speeds. You will benefit from having better security when something unexpected happens.

[PlsNoBan]

There's hundreds or perhaps thousands of silent readers DSM has to teach things. The rest of us are trolls so he has an obligation to teach everybody. Don't you guys understand?

[Gloomlord]

You believe your own sanctimonious hypocrisy, do you?

You're here to cover for your own insecurities as a player, I think.

[PlsNoBan]

He's already admitted his preference for shaman is because of "safety" which isn't needed with a group with 2 encs and a cleric that knows what they're doing. He's entitled to his preferences and opinions. Mage (or necro) is objectively a better choice if you're playing with a high quality group of players that has no need for a shaman to correct their mistakes and prevent what otherwise would have been a wipe.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He's already admitted his preference for shaman is because of "safety" which isn't needed with a group with 2 encs and a cleric that knows what they're doing. He's entitled to his preferences and opinions. Mage (or necro) is objectively a better choice if you're playing with a high quality group of players that has no need for a shaman to correct their mistakes and prevent what otherwise would have been a wipe.

Any group with an Ench and a Cleric doesn't need a Shaman. Plain and simple.