Guns are banned, people still died.

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends, an inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[GradnerLives]

oops. Forgot can't edit in rnf. Did a double "and" in a series.

[Pokesan]

Murdering another human being over a television set is totally cool and good

[Drakaris]

Really hate the gun laws in Australia....

You can legally own a high caliber rifle if you own a farm and they frequently get stolen, but you can't own a pistol without at least 12 months membership at a shooting range for sporting purposes.... and you can never legally use a firearm against another person, even if your house is being broken into or your loved ones are being stabbed.

Stupid laws here imo.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Supreme: What sort of regulation would apply to this constitutionally mandated militia? Training? Licensing? Restrictions of some sort?

There is no regulation. That is why it states "shall not be infringed upon". While the interpretation has been danced around for decades the core of the amendment is that citizens shall have the right to bear arms. Against threats both foreign and domestic.

We do have training, licensing and restrictions as it has been interpreted by the courts. While there have been many incidents by criminals involving firearms there is millions of other law-abiding citizens that use their firearms legally everyday.

The premise you offer is that by doing away with guns will somehow makes us safer is the same logic that making drug free zones magically keeps drugs away.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canada reporting in. Happy to say I've only ever seen one gun that wasn't on a cop while living in the largest city in the country. I've lived in the worst neighbourhoods pre-gentrification and never shy'd away from walking around at night. There are no areas of my city that I'd be hesitant to walk through, even alone/with valuables/at any time of day.

I've had violence threatened to me a fair number of times for sure, but I'm an okay runner and a pretty good talker so I can't say I've ever even been in a fight. If I ever was, I'd definitely be at risk of a good ass whooping but there's a pretty small chance that it would ever escalate beyond that, regardless of who I'm dealing with. Running and Talking don't do as much good when dealing with an armed assailant, though.

I don't agree that guns are the root cause of the violent crime problem in the states. A greater degree of racial inequity, history of violent means to political ends and inherent ubercapitalist "Self over others" mentality and a criminal justice system that seems more interested in punishment than rehabilitation could all certainly have a greater effect on the situation, but mass gun ownership doesn't help with any of those points. It only serves to protect the prepared few, placate the larger body of unprepared/untrained masses with the illusion of safety, and legally arm criminals to make their job a whole lot easier.

Who knew that NOT making it a right to take up guns to protect us from the king of england and just letting him have his way would get us all this free healthcare, greater prosperity/wealth in all but the absolute highest percentile income brackets, more stable banking system, a 17x lower chance of being raped, 3x less chance of being shot and all this great poutine.

Just saying.

Pras the duke.

Pras.