TMO raid suspension secretly lifted

[Frieza_Prexus]

It seems like common sense, to me, that if eating a 1 week ban should be a no big deal, then it should be no big deal when it is lifted.

Obviously this is not the case.

I'm not going to give my kid a process of appeals when I tell them they can't have soda for a week

I ask again: If a punishment is erroneous, should it be allowed to stand?

To me, the answer is clearly no.

[Rusl]

@Nirron your assuming they care already. The past 8 or so months is more than enough proof that they give 0 fucks.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl you had just as many suspended as we did, Rogean said so himself.

Lies, you had double digits more people suspended.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rofl you had just as many suspended as we did, Rogean said so himself.

A major difference was TMO booted all players caught up in Hackathon :: IB reinvited, power leveled, and made some of those caught officers.

[Banditfist]

Alarti calling someone a liar? Is this the first time you have ever posted something not in RnF? Credibility=0l

[Motec]

It was fun guys. Best of luck to you all.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems like common sense, to me, that if eating a 1 week ban should be a no big deal, then it should be no big deal when it is lifted.

Obviously this is not the case.



I ask again: If a punishment is erroneous, should it be allowed to stand?

To me, the answer is clearly no.

The point is that an erroneous punishment as all-encompassing and harsh as a full week raid suspension should never be levied without irrefutable and definite evidence. This should not be a situation where an appeals process is necessary or warranted -- if such a harsh action is to be taken, the punishment must be inarguably justified.

What Amelinda did was throw out months worth of petitions and say "look: things have gotten so ugly and so unbearable that you're all taking a week in time-out to think about what you did, and that's that. We'll never look back again, and we'll start fresh afterwards."

Ok. Seems harsh, but heck, if things really were that ridiculous at the end-game, then go for it -- send everyone to time out for a week. Not really a bad idea, IMO.

The problem is that Amelinda is now going back and saying "No -- actually, things weren't that bad all around. It wasn't everyone. It was only IB, I was mistaken." Obviously, that's going to infuriate IB after the verdict had been reached that both parties beared some blame, both would take equal time away, and nothing from the past would move forward. You can't say we're starting fresh and not looking back, then re-evaluate and overturn a prior decision. It doesn't make sense.

This situation was butchered. If you're going to raid suspend them both, you need to be justified in doing it and you need to stick to your guns once you do. I don't know which part of that equation fell through -- either she wasn't justified in suspending TMO in the first place, or she failed to stick to her guns -- but either way, the way this played out was highly unfair to just about everyone.

[Splorf22]

Look if TMO wants to argue that their raid suspension was wrong/misguided, fine. I've never seen the video, and I wasn't there, so I can't judge.

But I hope Amelinda realizes that she has just totally sabotaged her credibility with everyone now. Repealing the ban was already a bad idea. What happened to "it's time for the raiding guilds to take me seriously?" Well no one is going to take you seriously when you flip-flop on your decisions based on facebook posts, and then try to hide this by telling TMO to keep it quiet.

If you want a decent raiding community on P1999, you need to do:
1] Zonewide shouts on first aggro
2] Periodic server repops every ~2 weeks
3] Full variance: give every raid mob a 1/N chance to spawn every tick thus eliminating poopsocking
4] "Raid Guild Petition forum" where each guildleader gets a maximum of 2 petitions per week, fraps is required, EVERYONE can see the evidence, and EVERY petition is answered.
5] Actual consistency with enforcing decisions.

[Szeth]

Raid disputes will all but disappear within 3 months. Heard it here first.

[Autotune]

where was all this outrage when IBs suspension got reduced to a week? eh?

ours reduced by 2days lol.

anyhow, you retards can keep derpin this thread up.