Casters vs Melee THE TRUTH (SCREENSHOTS + INFO)

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol? What did he prove besides that Ogre SK's are a good PvP class with a lot of HP which everyone already knew? Other melee classes could make all of the same complaints about Ogre SK's that he just did with his wizard.

Change that SK's race to dark elf and he probably loses 300hp and suddenly becomes killable in 3 nukes.

I barely did 1300 damage and getting that much damage alone on anyone is almost impossible unless they are AFK in this first place. Not a single Wizard in this universe will be able to land 3 comet on me if I play a rogue, monk, warrior or any other melee class it just ain't happening in this world. CC isn't strong enough for that to work. You can pumice and run out of range of any big nuke all day long.

[MakeYouMad]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole point of this thread is just to show that melee's aren't some baby sheep walking around while all casters are wolfs.

You have 0 PvP server experience so you totally overlook the fact that casters are usually coming at you in duos or more.

On Sullon Zek, you would see <Darkenbane> duos of wizard/druid everywhere. On VZTZ, you would have 6 mages attacking you all at the same time. Your little screen shots here are nothing like real world PvP.

How much HP does a monk have? Like 1500? Now imagine being sync dumped by two ice comets.

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything. Let's not forget that pure melee won't even see the caster coming with no see invis item. Half the time you'll probably be standing there fighting an NPC then a wizard de-cloaks behind you and you instantly explode.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have 0 PvP server experience so you totally overlook the fact that casters are usually coming at you in duos or more.

On Sullon Zek, you would see <Darkenbane> duos of wizard/druid everywhere. On VZTZ, you would have 6 mages attacking you all at the same time. Your little screen shots here are nothing like real world PvP.

How much HP does a monk have? Like 1500? Now imagine being sync dumped by two ice comets.

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything.

I probably have more PVP experience on this beta alone then you have over your full EQ career and It's 2011 experience. Not some 2001 experience when no one knew how to play at all.

Yes of course two wizards will drop a Monk if they find him in the middle of Karana. But just 1 little wizard will drop a druid/shaman/necro and many other classes all alone. I'm proof of that cause I'm doing it non stop on this beta easily. Even winning 1v2 vs other INT/WIS users, sometimes even 1v3 as long no melee is involved it's all possible. The second a melee is on me it all goes to shit. So melee's seem to be overpowered in this case and nothing else.

Just let me get this right. So to prevent a zerg of people being able to kill one person you want to change the whole system so it totally ruins Solo pvp, group pvp and raid pvp? If you actually played in 18v18 Test of Tactics pvp you would realize that it was the lamest pvp that has ever been seen in any MMO. You had 18 people in each time, all groups had a bard and everyone was 100% immune to all spells and CC. You had 20 minutes+ fights and at most 1-3 people died in each fight. REALLY GOOD PVP WITH CLASSIC SYSTEM YES YES.. Not.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I probably have more PVP experience on this beta alone then you have over your full EQ career and It's 2011 experience. Not some 2001 experience when no one knew how to play at all.

Yes of course two wizards will drop a Monk if they find him in the middle of Karana. But just 1 little wizard will drop a druid/shaman/necro and many other classes all alone. I'm proof of that cause I'm doing it non stop on this beta easily. Even winning 1v2 vs other INT/WIS users, sometimes even 1v3 as long no melee is involved it's all possible. The second a melee is on me it all goes to shit. So melee's seem to be overpowered in this case and nothing else.

Just let me get this right. So to prevent a zerg of people being able to kill one person you want to change the whole system so it totally ruins Solo pvp, group pvp and raid pvp? If you actually played in 18v18 Test of Tactics pvp you would realize that it was the lamest pvp that has ever been seen in any MMO. You had 18 people in each time, all groups had a bard and everyone was 100% immune to all spells and CC. You had 20 minutes+ fights and at most 1-3 people died in each fight. REALLY GOOD PVP WITH CLASSIC SYSTEM YES YES.. Not.

Yes I agree since last patch melee is OP now and it going keep players from rolling casters now.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything. Let's not forget that pure melee won't even see the caster coming with no see invis item. Half the time you'll probably be standing there fighting an NPC then a wizard de-cloaks behind you and you instantly explode.

This is probably accurate.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by MakeYouMad View Post
Casters are going to insta gib people, just because you can't solo an ogre SK with your wizard doesn't mean anything. Let's not forget that pure melee won't even see the caster coming with no see invis item. Half the time you'll probably be standing there fighting an NPC then a wizard de-cloaks behind you and you instantly explode.

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is probably accurate.

Yeah cause pure melees like Warrior, Monk or Rogue run around and solo LOL.. Give me a break...................... There is loads of melee's on the beta and I've never ever found a melee like this so far and I've been out hunting in every zone a few hundred times. The only people you find like this are other castes.

Pure melee will be grouped and buffed with see invis and other buffs in any real situation.

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah cause pure melees like Warrior, Monk or Rogue run around and solo LOL.. Give me a break...................... There is loads of melee's on the beta and I've never ever found a melee like this so far and I've been out hunting in every zone a few hundred times. The only people you find like this are other castes.

Pure melee will be grouped and buffed with see invis and other buffs in any real situation.

I've hit 45 with my monk largely through soloing here and there at odd hours in seclusion. This may not be possible afer red goes live, but it certainly happens in Beta.

Also, while I've geared up a little bit, I've found that I can XP solo without gear as a monk. The main concern is stocking bandages, which can be done from dropped loot in many places. Groups are preferable, but definitely not required. I've seen someone named Drizzy doing the same thing.

Also, HP are currently a bit over 1000 without buffs. Adding some jewelry and 1-2 HP items such as the Robe ofhe Lost Circle, I expect to hit roughly 1400. Without HP gear (very likely in PvP), the total is closer to 1150. Nuke for 700, Mend back 280 or so, nuke again for 700 and I'm pretty close to dead. One of my better options in PvP so far has been to pumice PK casters, click an Invis potion, and run like Hell. The few PvP wins I've had have been very near things, with luck on my part -- and friends nearby.

[Darwoth]

the whole issue of late about melees suck if this or that is irrelevant whethr true or not, most people know what their getting into on a classic era eq emulator 12 years later and if they decided to play a melee class they already know what the decision entails.

[valithteezee]

Originally Posted by Vohl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've hit 45 with my monk largely through soloing here and there at odd hours in seclusion. This may not be possible afer red goes live, but it certainly happens in Beta.

Also, while I've geared up a little bit, I've found that I can XP solo without gear as a monk. The main concern is stocking bandages, which can be done from dropped loot in many places. Groups are preferable, but definitely not required. I've seen someone named Drizzy doing the same thing.

Also, HP are currently a bit over 1000 without buffs. Adding some jewelry and 1-2 HP items such as the Robe ofhe Lost Circle, I expect to hit roughly 1400. Without HP gear (very likely in PvP), the total is closer to 1150. Nuke for 700, Mend back 280 or so, nuke again for 700 and I'm pretty close to dead. One of my better options in PvP so far has been to pumice PK casters, click an Invis potion, and run like Hell. The few PvP wins I've had have been very near things, with luck on my part -- and friends nearby.

Monks are boss man. Are you Mybutthurts? We grouped the other day and i must say monks are extremely viable. I've seen drizzy do the same things, monks are def. not broken and frankly, strong as hell.

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are boss man. Are you Mybutthurts? We grouped the other day and i must say monks are extremely viable. I've seen drizzy do the same things, monks are def. not broken and frankly, strong as hell.

Yep, that's me. As often as I've been pwned by wizards, I'm very skeptical of claims that they're underpowered. PvE, monks are fine. PvP against anyone with root or snare, it's a very different story.