Dumpster Fire (RED99)

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Uuruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is Spyder that same guy who spends his days posting on Reddit and mad as fuck a GM took away his surname? Might be confusing him with another guy.

Not me bro

I rarely post on Reddit. And what kind of pathetic nerd would get mad about a surname? Next you'll be telling me that people write 10,000 word essays that are aimed to establish a lore about their surnames and discredit other guilds that are in either direct or indirect competition with his guild. LOL - then what? Desperate song covers with EQ related lyrics that are designed to lull the staff into a sense of endearment? Good one dude, but no one is that desperate.

[Tuljin]

Much of Red's population struggles really have to do with when it was released and its inability for the population to snowball.

Nostalrius Red sits around 10k users and Nostalrius Blue which came way later hangs out around 3k. So many Red Nostalrius players wanted a Blue server and they got it - yet Red is still packed full of Chinese gold farmers and tons of other people still grinding away without a mass exodus of player base.

P99 Red's release in comparison to Blue doomed the server from the get go. Also consider this - - P99 was released in 2009, when WoW was still very much in full swing. As the years have passed much of the P99 player base has become former WoW players who had heard so much about EQ yet never played. The Red server is a ghost town, they go Blue.

Also, EQ is infinitely "harder" (i.e. not nubby) than WoW so all the WoW nubs are reluctant to join Red and they come right over to Blue and warmbody for poopsockfest, accepting it as absolutely normal behavior and "fun"

The "raid" cabal says "sure, more warmbodies for us, more loot for us, win fucking win, we don't give a flying fuck about the spirit of EQ and we don't give a single flying fuck about this server with absolute WoW nub shitheads"

After years of Petitionquest and Lawyerquest, it has become evident that the only answer for the shitshow that Blue has become is PvP, like it or not. Lawyerquest sucks. Poopsockquest sucks. Someone FRAPSing you in fucking KC for "training" them and petitioning a GM fucking sucks. Back before FRAPSquest people would "PvP" each other by KSing, training, and randomly buffing and weaponizing mobs all the time. Its part of the game.

If you talk to anybody from a live Red server they always talk about how much fun it was. Because it fucking was.

If P99 Red had come out before Blue, it would probably have a similar population pattern to Nostalrius. People would roll Blue sure, but so many people would have all their loots on Red and wouldn't want to leave them behind. Also consider...no Chardok AOE which completely ruined the game by filling the top level player base with absolute nubs that shouldn't have gotten to 60 in the first place, and no lawyerquest.

People might say there would just be one massive zerg guild killing everybody else, but I doubt that too. There are enough different neckbeard factions that have come and gone on P99 over the years were there would likely be several guilds battling each other constantly for loot and drops. In a server population of 1000, would 500+ players at any given time be in one guild? I find that hard to believe considering how "ambitious" some of these neckbeards are.

My point is, everyone who knocks Red sounds like a bunch of nub crybaby bloobs, because thats what they are. PvP is the answer to Lawyerquest and its never going to happen. I elect not to poopsock and join a guild full of nubs that can't hack dungeon content and just sit at the entrance of ToV every weekend waiting for durgins. Been there, done that and it fucking sucks.

Blue is far more of a dumpster fire than Red 99, and that is tough to dispute.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Much of Red's population struggles really have to do with when it was released and its inability for the population to snowball.

Nostalrius Red sits around 10k users and Nostalrius Blue which came way later hangs out around 3k. So many Red Nostalrius players wanted a Blue server and they got it - yet Red is still packed full of Chinese gold farmers and tons of other people still grinding away without a mass exodus of player base.

P99 Red's release in comparison to Blue doomed the server from the get go. Also consider this - - P99 was released in 2009, when WoW was still very much in full swing. As the years have passed much of the P99 player base has become former WoW players who had heard so much about EQ yet never played. The Red server is a ghost town, they go Blue.

Also, EQ is infinitely "harder" (i.e. not nubby) than WoW so all the WoW nubs are reluctant to join Red and they come right over to Blue and warmbody for poopsockfest, accepting it as absolutely normal behavior and "fun"

The "raid" cabal says "sure, more warmbodies for us, more loot for us, win fucking win, we don't give a flying fuck about the spirit of EQ and we don't give a single flying fuck about this server with absolute WoW nub shitheads"

After years of Petitionquest and Lawyerquest, it has become evident that the only answer for the shitshow that Blue has become is PvP, like it or not. Lawyerquest sucks. Poopsockquest sucks. Someone FRAPSing you in fucking KC for "training" them and petitioning a GM fucking sucks. Back before FRAPSquest people would "PvP" each other by KSing, training, and randomly buffing and weaponizing mobs all the time. Its part of the game.

If you talk to anybody from a live Red server they always talk about how much fun it was. Because it fucking was.

If P99 Red had come out before Blue, it would probably have a similar population pattern to Nostalrius. People would roll Blue sure, but so many people would have all their loots on Red and wouldn't want to leave them behind. Also consider...no Chardok AOE which completely ruined the game by filling the top level player base with absolute nubs that shouldn't have gotten to 60 in the first place, and no lawyerquest.

People might say there would just be one massive zerg guild killing everybody else, but I doubt that too. There are enough different neckbeard factions that have come and gone on P99 over the years were there would likely be several guilds battling each other constantly for loot and drops. In a server population of 1000, would 500+ players at any given time be in one guild? I find that hard to believe considering how "ambitious" some of these neckbeards are.

My point is, everyone who knocks Red sounds like a bunch of nub crybaby bloobs, because thats what they are. PvP is the answer to Lawyerquest and its never going to happen. I elect not to poopsock and join a guild full of nubs that can't hack dungeon content and just sit at the entrance of ToV every weekend waiting for durgins. Been there, done that and it fucking sucks.

Blue is far more of a dumpster fire than Red 99, and that is tough to dispute.

lol

you typed all of that and noone is gonna read it

[Raev]

No one really poopsocks anything at this point, even with 16 hour variance. There is a lot of bind sight tracking/FTE maging/general staring at the wall stupidity, though. Simultaneous repops are the obvious solution to Blue's raid woes and have been proposed for several years now. For whatever reason, the staff just doesn't want to implement them <shrug>

EQ PVP is horribly unbalanced and mostly involves people running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Also, zerg wins in EQ and that's just as true for PVP. You can't be in a small guild like The A-Team on a PVP server, because your 30 people will get flatted by 100 regardless of how skilled/geared they are. Enabling PVP on Blue would turn everything into a 200 v 200 desync war. Note that no one is arguing for Red because of the amazing mechanics of EQ PVP; they just want to play on a server that's less crowded and doesn't have variance.

Red is far more of a dumpster fire than blue because of the people that play there. It's probably only 25% complete tools rather than 10% like Blue, but somehow they form a critical mass that controls the culture.

[Nibblewitz]

Don't forget the crazy exp bonus on red. Join some leveling group on red, and the next day they are all 10+ levels ahead of you.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ PVP is horribly unbalanced and mostly involves people running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

informed and educated i see

stay on blue

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't forget the crazy exp bonus on red. Join some leveling group on red, and the next day they are all 10+ levels ahead of you.

at 40+ you can group with a 60, and 40 takes a very short time, i don't see how thats an issue

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Tuljin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Much of Red's population struggles really have to do with when it was released and its inability for the population to snowball.

Nostalrius Red sits around 10k users and Nostalrius Blue which came way later hangs out around 3k. So many Red Nostalrius players wanted a Blue server and they got it - yet Red is still packed full of Chinese gold farmers and tons of other people still grinding away without a mass exodus of player base.

P99 Red's release in comparison to Blue doomed the server from the get go. Also consider this - - P99 was released in 2009, when WoW was still very much in full swing. As the years have passed much of the P99 player base has become former WoW players who had heard so much about EQ yet never played. The Red server is a ghost town, they go Blue.

Also, EQ is infinitely "harder" (i.e. not nubby) than WoW so all the WoW nubs are reluctant to join Red and they come right over to Blue and warmbody for poopsockfest, accepting it as absolutely normal behavior and "fun"

The "raid" cabal says "sure, more warmbodies for us, more loot for us, win fucking win, we don't give a flying fuck about the spirit of EQ and we don't give a single flying fuck about this server with absolute WoW nub shitheads"

After years of Petitionquest and Lawyerquest, it has become evident that the only answer for the shitshow that Blue has become is PvP, like it or not. Lawyerquest sucks. Poopsockquest sucks. Someone FRAPSing you in fucking KC for "training" them and petitioning a GM fucking sucks. Back before FRAPSquest people would "PvP" each other by KSing, training, and randomly buffing and weaponizing mobs all the time. Its part of the game.

If you talk to anybody from a live Red server they always talk about how much fun it was. Because it fucking was.

If P99 Red had come out before Blue, it would probably have a similar population pattern to Nostalrius. People would roll Blue sure, but so many people would have all their loots on Red and wouldn't want to leave them behind. Also consider...no Chardok AOE which completely ruined the game by filling the top level player base with absolute nubs that shouldn't have gotten to 60 in the first place, and no lawyerquest.

People might say there would just be one massive zerg guild killing everybody else, but I doubt that too. There are enough different neckbeard factions that have come and gone on P99 over the years were there would likely be several guilds battling each other constantly for loot and drops. In a server population of 1000, would 500+ players at any given time be in one guild? I find that hard to believe considering how "ambitious" some of these neckbeards are.

My point is, everyone who knocks Red sounds like a bunch of nub crybaby bloobs, because thats what they are. PvP is the answer to Lawyerquest and its never going to happen. I elect not to poopsock and join a guild full of nubs that can't hack dungeon content and just sit at the entrance of ToV every weekend waiting for durgins. Been there, done that and it fucking sucks.

Blue is far more of a dumpster fire than Red 99, and that is tough to dispute.

nice post

expect flames

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at 40+ you can group with a 60, and 40 takes a very short time, i don't see how thats an issue

I leveled a couple toons into their 40s on red, but the pace was so unnatural that my accomplishments felt hollow, and then I lost interest.

Just my experience.

[Fame]

Op is a perfect example of a player that does not have what it takes to survive and thrive on Red. It's not a server for everybody, a large percentage of new players quit in an emotional fashion within a few weeks-months.

This is a common experience.

Do you have what it takes?