OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Splorf22]

Hitpoint, 'competition' on this server involves tracking, batphoning, poopsocking, and camping out alts. It is fucking retarded and needs to die a slow painful death. P1999 is competition in the same way dragging your ballsack across a field of broken glass is competition. You want to encourage it because it makes you feel slightly less dumb if other people are engaged in the same idiocy.

Also, in Divinity's proposal FE/IB and TMO would get slots in the rotation like everyone else. You are guaranteed the same number of mobs as everyone else, and then its up to you to 'compete' as you love to do. All I can do is restate at this point what I said before: Divinity's plan gives up 60% of mobs to the 'competition' you guys love. It is MORE than a middle ground between the casual and the hardcore.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, I'm going to explain my mindset a little bit more.

You are assuming that BDA and Taken will never get a mob on the other two weeks of the month. They already do now. They lock down Vox and Inny. BDA beat us to Talendor just yesterday. And we were more than happy about it. Because that's what we've wanted to see. Another guild at least trying. They could have had Sev easily if their FTEer had hit him first, pure coinflip. BDA got FTE on Druushk and got him to 50%, with one more bard he'd have probably been dead. Taken got last VS. These guilds are more than capable of competing, they have been for a long while. And now they are starting to actually try.

You know what you're overlooking about all these different agreements? We're not allowed to compete with other guilds on their time, while they are absolutely allowed to compete with us. We could break up with IB, or BDA could step up onto our tier, or TMO could fucking shut us down and we don't get anything. It's not just 2 or 3 guilds sharing for those two weeks, more competition can appear for us. In short, we aren't guaranteed any number of mobs. And frankly I'm fine with that as long as we have a chance to get a decent number, and two weeks is not enough. That's why I don't like Divinity's proposal. Because it kills competition instead of foster it.

Yeah one thing I will say.. BDA has had no problem competing for mobs like TMO/FEIB this last week. In head to head situations they got Talendor and narrowly missed Sev by having the mob tracked and people there or ready to get there. I only point this out because a few from the guild have been posting that they have been limited by that type of competition.. Except when they are now trying they seem to be doing OK in the current system. I was happy to see BDA get their kills and still am.. But it kind of eliminates the argument that the system limits all but the Top 2 guilds. When guilds try they get mobs.

[tortue ninja]

i dont understand why we are listening to Loraen point of view here, his guild represent an average of 8 players online, the a-team never did something on the raid scene, who care bout what A-team want? seriously...

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your "competition" is stupid. The majority of the server feel this way. If you like "competing" this much, go to red and try to unseat the top guild there. TMO started it and you fools perpetuated it. Not our fault.

Casuals dictating to 3/4ths of the active raiding population; ya fuck the work theyve put in over the years its time for them to go, hell anywhere but here!

How about you start a new server as blue instead of another DEAD PVP server then you can have a competition blue server and a rotating blue server since obviously this is where most of the player base is?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hitpoint, 'competition' on this server involves tracking, batphoning, poopsocking, and camping out alts. It is fucking retarded and needs to die a slow painful death. P1999 is competition in the same way dragging your ballsack across a field of broken glass is competition. You want to encourage it because it makes you feel slightly less dumb if other people are engaged in the same idiocy.

I'm sorry you feel that way. But that's like, you're opinion, man.

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By the way it isn't really that bad. You don't need to answer a batphone if you don't want to, ever. It's more for convenience than anything. If enough people do a few hours of tracking a week it's basically nothing you aren't doing already when you camp AC or some shit. Only a few targets actually get parked at, most can be potioned or ported to very quickly to mobilize for. Parking alts takes zero effort, and we have tons of people with 1 char who do just fine. VS is the only thing that gets poopsocked and I don't partake. Our officers constantly tell people not to sock VS pit, people choose to do that shit. Lots of them are even just afk and want to be able to answer a batphone quicker.

Basically you, and everyone else, blow this shit WAY WAY out of proportion when you talk about it, constantly, always, in every.. single... post.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When guilds try they get mobs.

Of course they do. It's not that the "casuals" can't compete; it's that they don't want to. Neither them nor the devs enjoy what the top guilds have turned the raid scene into, and I'm honestly shocked at how many of you choose to play the game like this.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course they do. It's not that the "casuals" can't compete; it's that they don't want to. Neither them nor the devs enjoy what the top guilds have turned the raid scene into, and I'm honestly shocked at how many of you choose to play the game like this.

I bet they enjoyed that Talendor kill a hell of a lot more than if they logged in at 6:00 pm, strolled into SF, got full buffs, perfect groups set up, prepped and planned the pull, and burned down a 32k mob in 20 seconds with zerg numbers. We were there watching and I have it on fraps. They were rushed, under pressure, shit happened that probably was not planned, and they got the kill anyway. It was epic, and I bet it felt that way.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half and half is not middle ground.

One of the dumbest things I've ever read, and I kept Alarti off ignore for 2 years.

[Tyym]

We are getting requests from guilds I have never heard of to attend the discussion tonight. May I suggest the smaller guilds voice their concerns to some of the higher up Cat B guilds like BDA, Divinity and Taken. Tonight's forum will be restricting representatives to 2 players from each guild. With that in mind, we will still be having 10 -12 people on our vent likely all talking at once. We know the concerns and we are doing our best to come to some sort of amiable solution that benefits everyone. However if you haven't killed a Dragon or God in the past 6 months, then please let your proxy be conveyed by one of the aforementioned guilds.

Morphius
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[JayN]

<ninja turtles> will be there, we expect our unfairshare as well....