Sirken's proposal

[Daldaen]

I fail to grasp the argument that hours tracking and the ability to muster a raid force at all hours, is described by the word "effort".

These guilds are still tanking, healing, DPSing the raid mobs. The mobs are getting slowed and debuffed, pulled and CC'd. People are still having to Rez on wipes and rebuff.

Blue is PvE. They are putting in the effort to beat the NPC Environment the game places before them.

The raid environment is a player created phenomena. Suggesting people don't deserve pixels from the actual NPC environment because they don't enjoy the same player driven competition as you, is foolish.