the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's abuse when it's harmful and/or malicious. circumcision is neither

[QUOTE=Web MD]What are the benefits of circumcision?

There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
A reduced risk of sexually transmitted diseases in men.
Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).

Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.

Note: Some studies show that good hygiene can help prevent certain problems with the penis, including infections and swelling, even if the penis is not circumcised. In addition, using a condom during sex will help prevent STDs and other infections.
What are the risks of circumcision?

Like any surgical procedure, there are risks associated with circumcision. However, this risk is low. Problems associated with circumcision include:
Pain
Risk of bleeding and infection at the site of the circumcision
Irritation of the glans
Increased risk of meatitis (inflammation of the opening of the penis)
Risk of injury to the penis[QUOTE]

For a baby its not like they remember it so I wouldn't call it painful or necessarily malicious, but for an adult...

[Rhambuk]

eh never tried to manually type in quote brackets (read sig)

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seriously man, I love some of the stuff you post. Make me ROFL hard.

oh i just remembered,

Humans used to live for hundreds of years, only recently have we started having shorter and shorter lifespans blame "the man in charge". He then went on to tell me that the bible stated moses lived to be 180 years old, that was his evidence.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? Anything and everything I've ever read has said circumcision is healthier then non circumcision for you. I mean EVERYTHING. I mean, I am assuming there is stuff out there that could say otherwise, but I'm sure the argument is not very strong if it is not really out there.

A big part of it is about who's doing the study. It's the most commonly practiced surgical procedure in the country so you have a combination of the bias towards it dependent on who's performing the study grouped with the money issue (it's the most common surgical procedure practiced in the country) and finally the stigma of opposing such a sacred judeo-christian custom. You will be hard pressed to find anyone defending the practice outside of the US and Israel (though there are a few out there).

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a baby its not like they remember it so I wouldn't call it painful or necessarily malicious, but for an adult...

Yet the same people who ignore the psychological trauma caused to an infant during such practices because they "won't remember" (which is escapism for saying they don't believe they are yet sentient) are the same ones that worry about the rights of a "sentient" zygote. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(which is escapism for saying they don't believe they are yet sentient)

I certainly don't remember it and I don't believe i'm traumatized, not to say others don't have different experiences. Supposedly people remember everything, consciously or not, and its supposed to alter and change us...

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you keep thinking that, meanwhile every medical professional in any field directly or indirectly related to the consequences of such barbaric practices will vehemently disagree with you. Outside of the Jeudeo-Christian community of course. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.circinfo.net/socio_sexual_aspects.html

the vast majority of studies find that circumcision is either a minor benefit or has no significant impact either way. the WHO even recommends it for large portions of africa because it significantly lowers the rate of HIV transmission

it's only "barbaric" because you're a bigot, not because there's anything inherently brutal or uncivilized about a minor surgical procedure that produces minor health benefits and significantly preferred aesthetics in many societies

again, go bitch about body piercings. there are fewer benefits, more pain, and greater risk of complication. i have a feeling you don't consider a little girl getting her ears pierced barbaric though

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I certainly don't remember it and I don't believe i'm traumatized, not to say others don't have different experiences. Supposedly people remember everything, consciously or not, and its supposed to alter and change us...

My point is since you don't remember anything happening when you were that young would you say with confidence that you were sentient at the time?
Do you believe you were sentient at the time?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

again, go bitch about body piercings. there are fewer benefits, more pain, and greater risk of complication. i have a feeling you don't consider a little girl getting her ears pierced barbaric though

Again an unnecessary jump. Why would you compare the two?
Circumcision is almost always done to an infant who is unable to say no to such a procedure, granted there are parents who will pierce the ears of their infant daughters (a practice I also disagree with) but the number of parents who don't far outweighs that number.
Invalid comparison altogether.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you believe you were sentient at the time?

I would have to answer yes =p

Haven't they found that trees respond to their environment (music makes them grow or something) wouldn't that make vegetation have some form of sentience being aware and affected. Those merciless fucking vegetarians!

[Kagatob]

Ability to respond to external stimulus =/= sentience. You can poke a paramecium and get a reaction out of it, it doesn't mean that it's sentient.