Monopolizing Scout in WW...

[Leiker]

Originally Posted by Kagey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't need auto fire for this camp, just low ping.

~Shrink.
~Stand under the spawn loc.
~Have a ping of 30-40ms.
~Look up and spam click. (have timer down by the second)

Your success is based off position/ping, and not having someone in front of your clicks.

If you don't meet these requirements find someone in your guild that does.

What if your "opponent" does all those things AND uses autofire/click-macro?

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Leiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if your "opponent" does all those things AND uses autofire/click-macro?

As it has been pointed out. The server can only recognize so many clicks a second. Auto fire macros often click way way more times than can be registered. So in essence it's 90% wasted clicks, it just increases there chance of clicking at the right time. But anyone with low ping and good timing can click there mouse 10 times a second no problem. And I'd be surprised if the server registered many more clicks per second than that. And scout is a zero variance spawn. So three seconds before she pops start clicking like a fiend.

Edit: this does not account for the more tricky macros that automatically open trade/move item/close trade all in about a half second. Anyone using one of those is officially cheating and an asshat. Though it's not exactly easy to prove when they are using the sorts of macro programs with programmable mouse movements. Not just auto clickers.

[Kagey]

Then lets hope a GM catches him.

....

on that note, I've beat him. And have won 5 and given 2 away to old guildmates.

Maybe yall are just doing it wrong and or badluck with clicks.

[Leiker]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As it has been pointed out. The server can only recognize so many clicks a second. Auto fire macros often click way way more times than can be registered. So in essence it's 90% wasted clicks, it just increases there chance of clicking at the right time. .

Not trying to be contrarian here, but do you have anything to back this claim up or is it just speculation?

How many times can you manually click a mouse pr second? How many clicks can the server register pr second?

I'm guessing manual clicking would give you somewhere inbetween 5 and 10 clicks per second (probably closer to 5). As for the server, I have no idea, but I bet it can register more.

Even in worst case scenario and the click macro having little effect, which I dont believe is the case, its still using a 3rd party program to gain an unfair advantage.

This does not account for the more tricky macros that automatically open trade/move item/close trade all in about a half second.

If you are moving items around while trying to do the turnin, you are doing it wrong. Have you ever tried to get Scout at all?

Anyway, tired of discussing this as I dont really care THAT much. I already got a couple of bracers and I play at Euro times and often it has very few people at scout and good chances to win. Cheaters piss me off though

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Leiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to be contrarian here, but do you have anything to back this claim up or is it just speculation?

How many times can you manually click a mouse pr second? How many clicks can the server register pr second?

I'm guessing manual clicking would give you somewhere inbetween 5 and 10 clicks per second (probably closer to 5).

I will bet everything I own against everything that you own that I can click a mouse at least 15 times in a second, easily. Did you never play any games other than mmo's? There are a ton of games out there that require you to click at lightning speeds at some point. Everything from metal gear solid series (during some of the cinematic knife fights clicking rapidly is how you block some of the attacks). Mario party mini games (a ton of them require you to rapidly push buttons to win). First person shooters with semi-auto, shoots as fast as you can click weapons. The list goes on and on. I can confidently say that most human beings are capable of clicking a mouse ten times in a single second.

Maybe a second is a lot longer than you realize.

And my comment about mouse moving marries doesn't necessarily apply to scout turn in. But doesn't mean they aren't a thing. Was merely pointing out the fact that there are multiple types of "auto-fires"

[Kagey]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will bet everything I own against everything that you own that I can click a mouse at least 15 times in a second, easily. Did you never play any games other than mmo's? There are a ton of games out there that require you to click at lightning speeds at some point. Everything from metal gear solid series (during some of the cinematic knife fights clicking rapidly is how you block some of the attacks). Mario party mini games (a ton of them require you to rapidly push buttons to win). First person shooters with semi-auto, shoots as fast as you can click weapons. The list goes on and on. I can confidently say that most human beings are capable of clicking a mouse ten times in a single second.

Maybe a second is a lot longer than you realize.

And my comment about mouse moving marries doesn't necessarily apply to scout turn in. But doesn't mean they aren't a thing. Was merely pointing out the fact that there are multiple types of "auto-fires"

This is 100% spot on... sorry for the people who want a ps4 game style where even if you fail your spam clicks you get to continue onto the next cutscene.

bravo.

[Cecily]

I love that PS4 game where you stand on top of a very specific position, mashing a button, and hope another player doesn't stand in your way or have a better internet connection. Good analogy.

[Leiker]

Maybe I have fat fingers, its possible, I just went on click pr second website and I score a quite consistent 7 clicks pr second. With a basic macro that took me 5 seconds to set up, I scored 70 clicks pr second. Even assuming that someone can click twice as fast as your estimate, thats a significant advantage.

https://cookie.riimu.net/speed/

Anyway, there are videos out there of people setting up macros to do the scout turn in (and succeeding) just saying.

[Kagey]

awesome link!

Clicks per second: 8.97
Sprint: 96 clicks, 9.28 c/s, 10 seconds

[Kagey]

Cecily = C ranking