Derubael

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moral of the story is that if you do enough back and forth character swapping with items you've stolen from someone than you can get away with it?

I kind of have trouble accepting what you're saying because in my opinion the response that I got was that I was being accused of lying about the situation before an investigation was really done. I posted dozens of screenshots showing the items being on my characters at different periods in the characters development and provided as much circumstantial proof as I could manage. In the end you based your decision on a story you got from the perpetrator of the crime. I really find that curious since Lite admitted to doing it on the forum.

Who got banned/suspended? Me. I really appreciate a lot of the work you do for red, and you've helped me out with a few other situations, but this is never going to sit well with me because I just don't feel like it was handled with consistency.

Deru stop being tender with these people, its the reason why the server sucks, cuz the assholes have a stranglehold on the server. Here Mostbitter is implying you banned him for no reason or for bringing up an incident. Just clean house, stop wasting even one minute with trading accounts shenanigans, stop playing babysitter. Its not good for you or the server. Forum ban em all. Clean the forums of this shit.

If you for example ban Smedy for stripping Terp's account, then you validate Terp trading accounts in a way. Since Smedy is getting griefed back, that will only motivate people to keep trading accounts because theres a punishment at the other end possible if you strip an account. If you just stop even looking at trading account issues, the idea will settle in that you shouldnt be exchanging account info. Continuing to give attention to this only insures you some headache-inducing workload down the line. Your time IMO would be better spent as a GM organizing fun stuff for non-toxic fresh blood (and for you) on the server.

[mostbitter]

Ecoli you just have fungi colored glasses. I earned my suspension. I'm not saying what you're trying to imply at all.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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this is much more likely than an actual hack. those really are exceedingly rare in every game and industry. It's simply easier to social engineer a password out of someone than it is to brute/crack it. Requires less effort/is more legal/requires little or no computer knowledge. Most "hacking" is actually a combination of soc. engineering and poor security practices. Use different passwords across different websites and accounts, and make them strong and secure. Yes its a pain in the ass. But it will keep your shit safe, and that's worth the inconvenience.

Haha no idea how they do that stuff.

Maybe Tralina's new boyfriend hacked him.

[VictomEyez]

Tradesonred no one cares of your feelings..you hate terp..thats why you want smedy to get away with it and terp to not get his stuff back... stfu already with all the super long posts that no one reads, thanks.

deru already said it is against the rules to strip.delete.etc so expect it to be handled.

your input means nothing.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by VictomEyez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tradesonred no one cares of your feelings..you hate terp..thats why you want smedy to get away with it and terp to not get his stuff back... stfu already with all the super long posts that no one reads, thanks.

deru already said it is against the rules to strip.delete.etc so expect it to be handled.

your input means nothing.

My input isnt for you dumb fucks, its for deru. Probably a Terp smurf Forum Quest account i guess?

[Buhbuh]

how would your info be even remotely of service to derubael

the rules are clear cut, this is fraud

you hate terp, want derubael to punish him for something unrelated

you've got brain rot plz stop

[Tradesonred]

Im only replying for the sake of Deru, considering how manipulative some of you are and the gist of what im saying might get lost in the fog of war.

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you for example ban Smedy for stripping Terp's account, then you validate Terp trading accounts in a way. Since Smedy is getting griefed back, that will only motivate people to keep trading accounts because theres a punishment at the other end possible if you strip an account. If you just stop even looking at trading account issues, the idea will settle in that you shouldnt be exchanging account info. Continuing to give attention to this only insures you some headache-inducing workload down the line. Your time IMO would be better spent as a GM organizing fun stuff for non-toxic fresh blood (and for you) on the server.

If thats the rules, change them. Because its putting on Deru's shoulder a workload that would be better spent organizing stuff for the server. Stopping to deal at all with account sharing will go a long way in making people stop sharing their accounts because theres no protection. Share your account, it got stripped? Tough shit, we told you not to do it.

I dont give a fuck about Terp really, im glad he got stripped for personal reasons but really its just an opportunity that makes me think about this issue. Reinstate his shit this time for all i care, forget about Terp, dont get mindfucked by BuhBuh trying to make this issue about Terp. Stay focused on the idea that refusing to answer petitions about stripping will go a long way toward ramming the point through that if you share accounts its at your own risk and that this will free up GM time that can then be put on more positive shit, that isnt so boring for the GMs to do as well, like events.

Theyve got an agenda here, that Terp gets his shit back, i dont. Everything i put forward, even if you disagree with me, i do it in the interest of the server, hopefully thats starting to settle in for GMs that read me.

I was one of the few dissident voices that championed the removal of xp loss in pvp, im right on this too.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im only replying for the sake of Deru, considering how manipulative some of you are and the gist of what im saying might get lost in the fog of war.



If thats the rules, change them. Because its putting on Deru's shoulder a workload that would be better spent organizing stuff for the server. Stopping to deal at all with account sharing will go a long way in making people stop sharing their accounts because theres no protection. Share your account, it got stripped? Tough shit, we told you not to do it.

I dont give a fuck about Terp really, im glad he got stripped for personal reasons but really its just an opportunity that makes me think about this issue. Reinstate his shit this time for all i care, forget about Terp, dont get mindfucked by BuhBuh trying to make this issue about Terp. Stay focused on the idea that refusing to answer petitions about stripping will go a long way toward ramming the point through that if you share accounts its at your own risk.

Theyve got an agenda here, that Terp gets his shit back, i dont. Everything i put forward, even if you disagree with me, i do it in the interest of the server, hopefully thats starting to settle in for GMs that read me.

I was one of the few dissident voices that championed the removal of xp loss in pvp, im right on this too.

i'd love a standard too. either restore any deletions/thefts or don't.

rettiwalk banned for stripping/deleting mellowyellow and mellowyellow restored of all gear.

nobody banned for trav stripping deletion.

nobody banned for nothxu stripping.

so far nobody banned for terp stripping.

if terp doesn't get restored, then neither do the 30-40 azrael accounts that cast has deleted.

either way, holocaust crooting.

[LulzSect]

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[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

9. You may not defraud other players.

Fraud is defined as falsely representing one's intentions to make a gain at another's expense. Examples of this activity include, but are not limited to, using deception to deprive another player of items, slandering another player or impersonating them with the intention of causing harm to that player's reputation, or falsely representing one's identity in order to gain access to another player's account or account information.

Fraud in all transactions between players may result in disciplinary action when confirmed by a P99CSR.

This is not permission to not watch out for yourself during interactions with players. Players may still scam or defraud you on Project 1999. It is your responsibility to protect yourself. The player who scammed you may be subject to disciplinary action, but there is no guarantee you will get your items or PP back. It is in your best interest to be wary of other players.

You are responsible for the people you let onto your account. Disciplinary action may be enacted upon your account even if you yourself were not responsible for any rule breaking. Do not share account info if you are not ready to deal with the consequences of someone else's actions.

Account sharing is not supposed to happen, youre not supposed to do it. Once that sets in as an idea, why should GMs be involved in any way in resolving stuff that is associated with that?

An analogy would be someone dropping your coke down the toilet and you call the cops like wtf, this guy just dropped all my coke down the toilet, is there anything you could do about this? Cops say we might or might not reinstate your cocaine sir, but i wouldnt hold my breath for it, though flushing coke down the toilet clearly constitute you being victimized, and well be trying to track that coke down NYC's sewer network.

For the record i think the drug war is bullshit, but you get the point