Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

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Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too socialist.

Only because we both know it would gear up 2-3 other guilds in raid loot within several months.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now we have two or three groups of people acting like they are the deciding majority here, lol. I don't think this is going to play out how you think, Heallun. Everyone is open to discussion here, but once again, I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves.

I'm just going by what I've tried to glean from Rogean. It would be silly to not take the major raiding guild's POV into perspective, but he said earlier he was looking for a majority situation...so I suppose, a majority of who ? Anyone interested in raid loot?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it is time to make a raid subforum and for raid guilds to nominate two people who will proceed with the delegations.

More informal discussion is needed first.

[zanderklocke]

These threads are way too long to even consider reading. Someone should make a somewhat editable spreadsheet or document that summarizes the main points/ideas people are making. People that like those ideas could put their names next to them.

I mean trying to read 42 pages of stuff is practically laughable.

[Lammy]

This has gone too far. We went from respecting the rules set by GMs to "do you want me to just kill it for you?" The ONLY fun part about raiding 32k dragons is the competition.

[quido]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just going by what I've tried to glean from Rogean. It would be silly to not take the major raiding guild's POV into perspective, but he said earlier he was looking for a majority situation...so I suppose, a majority of who ? Anyone interested in raid loot?

I think you're being purposely dense. If Rogean wanted to leave this up to a literal majority he would have defined the entities and all that. He's saying he wants us all to work together and if one or two factions aren't playing ball, then tough luck for them. I don't think he was saying that some majority faction drunk with power is going to have the final say that they will uphold.

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Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These threads are way too long to even consider reading. Someone should make a somewhat editable spreadsheet or document that summarizes the main points/ideas people are making. People that like those ideas could put their names next to them.

I mean trying to read 42 pages of stuff is practically laughable.

What mainly needs to be done is guilds going on their forums and throwing around these ideas and choosing the one that they all want to get behind and forming up a proposal on their own.

Once each guild can hash out a proposal, the guilds can then get together and rehash their proposals into one or more that the guilds can agree on and then just vote for the one they want to try. The main point is that the new system doesn't have to be set in stone, but needs to be solid enough that it will work for a few months to see what problems may or may not arise from it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're being purposely dense. If Rogean wanted to leave this up to a literal majority he would have defined the entities and all that. He's saying he wants us all to work together and if one or two factions aren't playing ball, then tough luck for them. I don't think he was saying that some majority faction drunk with power is going to have the final say that they will uphold.

You started this thread with wrong information.

I didn't read much but TLDR seems to be that player arrangements are useless because they won't be enforced by staff.

And that's where you're wrong, and exactly why I told TMO they need to come to an arrangement, because they aren't coming off raid suspension until they do.

Whatever the majority of raiding guilds agree on WILL be enforced by the staff.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still seeing a weighted points system as the best method for the purification of the raid scene. It helps the most people and is the easiest to police without GM interference, doesn't involve a rotation that variance fucks up, etc. The only people that are against it are those that are losing mobs over it and, lets be honest, they should have seen this coming when rogean brought the hammer down.

I think it is time to make a raid subforum and for raid guilds to nominate two people who will proceed with the delegations.

I'm not an official representative of my guild but this is along the lines of what I'm thinking as well.

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The thing TMO seems to be having a hard time understanding atm is that they don't have the upperhand here in the discussion. In fact, they are at a disadvantage.