Camp Check

[BlackBellamy]

A camp check is a courtesy to ME so I don't have to run around the zone looking for a camp.

A camp check is not a mechanism for YOU to claim the camp.

I say this because I've been involved in some of the most desired non-/list camps in the game, and some people think that you can claim a camp over /ooc. In order to claim the camp, you have to be involved in it. If I come up on the PH and it's just sitting there and you're nowhere in sight, that's not your camp. I'm a courteous guy so I'll wait a minute or two in case you ran off to test your pet or maybe sell something to a nearby player. But if I kill the PH and you show up five minutes later with an exciting story about zoning out or being afk because baby vomit and ask me why I didn't do a cc to see if the camp was free, well then that is just embarrassing for everyone involved.

[cd288]

Agreed

[Bazia]

if a ph is up for 2 or more minutes camps up

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if a ph is up for 2 or more minutes camps up

Unless someone is sitting there finishing up medding to take it down

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if a ph is up for 2 or more minutes camps up

Wrong

There is no set amount of minutes

I believe the gm ruling is “reasonable amount of time” whatever that means

[TripSin]

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong

There is no set amount of minutes

I believe the gm ruling is “reasonable amount of time” whatever that means

Exactly! Like many things the GMs don't want explicit rules, and prefer to handle it by a GM Fiat definition of "reasonable" (although that specific "reasonable" quote is about something slightly different ... I couldn't find a ruling even addressing how long you have to wait to take a camp from someone else: the staff wants things just that nebulous):

Open Outdoor Zones can be anything from Western Wastes, Karanas or West Commons. There are no staff recognized camps for this zone type outside of single spawn points. Examples of single spawn types might be Ocean of Tears Ancient Cyclops, Iceclad Ocean Stormfeather, or Qeynos Hills Hadden. Though, any single spawn point can be claimed, that is the only spawn you can hunt (if being contested). If you are to claim this point you must get aggro/First to Encounter (FTE) within a reasonable amount of time.

Ultimately the correct amount of time to wait to take a mob is A) until just before someone else does, or B) as long as you possibly can, so that if a GM does show up, you'll be confident that the other guy has no valid argument. It's not about "the server has a right amount of time to wait", it's "what's your risk tolerance for being banned, vs. your willingness to sit there not playing the game for awhile?"

Honestly it sucks and is wasteful system for players: inevitably lots of people sit there not killing mobs for longer than they need to, or doing the reverse and taking mobs before the other guy has a chance to claim them. It'd be so much better IMHO if they released some kind of guidelines.

But we also have to remember that staff time is FAR more rare and precious than player time. Volunteers who spend their time not playing a computer game, and instead arbitrating disputes so other people get to play, are super rare, and we absolutely have to prioritize them higher than anything else.

Ultimately they know better than me how to save their own time, and if they they think nebulous rules that waste a little player time are better than specific ones, I support the value judgment they're making. I just think this is something where everyone could win, and if they said "look if you've stared at a mob for 5 minutes, with a timer running, you can take it and not risk being banned" ... or whatever, it won't result in wasting their time.

[jackd104]

I have had a couple incidents lately of people rolling up to a camp I am actively camping, like killing mobs, and they just start pulling without saying Hi or asking what's up or if the camp is free or anything. I got into an unpleasant argument where these two players insisted they were there first even though I had already starting pulling and killing. I don't doubt that they may have *believed* they were there first, but doing a polite camp check before pulling stuff is the way to avoid these things.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by jackd104 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have had a couple incidents lately of people rolling up to a camp I am actively camping, like killing mobs, and they just start pulling without saying Hi or asking what's up or if the camp is free or anything. I got into an unpleasant argument where these two players insisted they were there first even though I had already starting pulling and killing. I don't doubt that they may have *believed* they were there first, but doing a polite camp check before pulling stuff is the way to avoid these things.

Lineage members? I've been having serious camp issues with lineage members. Ive asked several if they have even read the camp rules, only one had..... And I'm talking like seven different people over a few days, all lineage members. Has definitely effected my opinion of that guild and its members, as a whole, they seem to feel that every camp is there and camp rules do not apply to them if they dont like the rule....

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lineage members? I've been having serious camp issues with lineage members. Ive asked several if they have even read the camp rules, only one had..... And I'm talking like seven different people over a few days, all lineage members. Has definitely effected my opinion of that guild and its members, as a whole, they seem to feel that every camp is there and camp rules do not apply to them if they dont like the rule....

I wouldn't say that's a Lineage-specific issue. Any guild that takes has lax requirements for joining, which Lineage does, will have a wide-variety of players, including those who are new, uninformed, or both.