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Gnoll Fang Exp in Qeynos
Credit Goes to BarakObooma for this research. Truthfully, I just noticed the frenzied approach other players take to this zone, and its acidic effect on the community while playing there. Now its obvious that there is a reason why.
Currently, as implemented, gnoll fang turn in to Captain Tillman in Qeynos renders too much experience. This leads to slumming by higher level characters in a zone meant for characters generally between 5 and 16. The exp should fall closer in line with other newbie quests that are relevant to their starting dungeon As it stands today, it can be proven that 300 fangs will take a player from level 12-level 20 See post 131 in this thread http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...144685&page=14 There's a post from 2001 where a Dwarf Paladin said he went from level 6 to 7 on one stack of fangs. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2878 "this is an excellant quest for newbies in quenos...when you get to 5th lvl go to blackburrow and save the fangs (they stack)..and when your not busy or you go to quenoys to sell loot complete it.good exp i went from lvl 6 to lvl 7 with 1 stack (includes doing the moonstone part) Daldane 9 pally Dwarf" Level 6 would take 91,000 experience x 40% penalty = 127,400 experience needed. Divided by 20 fangs, that would mean each fang = 6370 experience which is less than 1/3 of what it currently is (19-20k each). Clearly something is amiss here. Please take a look. | ||
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I do not believe hybrid penalties apply to quest exp.
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Unsure if there is now a cap on XP from a single quest turn-in. I know there wasn't one a few years ago because there was some guy doing khukri quests with his level 1 and he'd get several levels per turn-in as he was much lower than the intended level for the quest. | |||
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A stack of gnoll fangs at level 6 now would take you well beyond one level. Would me creating a paladin newbie and turning in 20 fangs showing the amount of exp gained in comparison help?
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Hi Nilblog,
We acknowledge that the experience per fang is the same regardless of race/class/etc. What we're saying is comparing a 2001 example from ZAM to my character's current experience turning them in shows that the fangs are giving 3x as much experience as they were back in classic. My comparison was comparing a 2001 Dwarf Paladin who went from level 6 to 7 on one stack of 20 gnoll fangs. I compared this to my 22 Ranger: For a 22 Ranger it took exactly 100 fangs to go from 22 to 23 (1,387,000 x 1.4 = 1,941,800 experience needed to level – divided by 100 equates to the 19-20k per fang estimate). Level 6 would take 91,000 experience base x 40% penalty = 127,400 experience needed. Divided by 20 fangs, that would mean each fang = 6370 experience (back in 2001) which is less than 1/3 of what it currently is (19-20k each). | ||
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It's hard finding examples for it on ZAM because they don't even list the Qeynos quest, only the Halas one (which was always trash experience).
Forgot to put the original post (2001) link. Note also that it says that the level was turning in the full stack plus the moonstones which would give even more experience although that quest gives minimal. I may make a level 1 and test to see how much experience the moonstone quest gives. A lot of people don't bother with it and sell them to the vendors. http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2878 "this is an excellant quest for newbies in quenos...when you get to 5th lvl go to blackburrow and save the fangs (they stack)..and when your not busy or you go to quenoys to sell loot complete it.good exp i went from lvl 6 to lvl 7 with 1 stack (includes doing the moonstone part) Daldane 9 pally Dwarf" | ||
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Gnoll Fang exp on this server is classic.
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I think the exp gain is fine and classic as it is. The part I'm pretty sure is not classic is the exp doesn't really bottom out for this or the other high exp newbie quests. I tested it quite a while back, and at level 35 clearing the zone (late night when zone was empty, no newbies were harmed in this test) you could average about ~30 fangs for 1 clear. Turn that in and it was like 4-5% of lvl 35 (hell level). Also when I was 99% into lvl 49, just for fun I bought up like 10 cb belts to see what would happen. Ding 50. I have no idea if that part is classic or not.
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Thanks for the link. The guy stated at level 13, he turned in 87 gnoll fangs and got 4.5 yellows.
Let's do the math. Level & XP Needed To Level (without class/race mods) 1 1000 2 7,000 3 19,000 4 37,000 5 61,000 6 91,000 7 127,000 8 169,000 9 217,000 10 271,000 11 331,000 12 397,000 13 469,000 14 547,000 15 631,000 16 721,000 17 817,000 18 919,000 19 1,027,000 20 1,141,000 21 1,261,000 22 1,387,000 23 1,519,000 24 1,657,000 25 1,801,000 26 1,951,000 27 2,107,000 28 2,269,000 29 2,437,000 30 5,311,000 31 3,070,100 32 3,274,700 33 3,485,900 34 3,703,700 35 8,215,600 36 4,537,200 37 4,796,400 38 5,062,800 39 5,336,400 40 12,017,200 41 6,397,300 42 6,717,100 43 7,044,700 44 7,380,100 45 16,835,800 46 8,695,400 47 9,081,800 48 9,476,600 49 9,879,800 50 10,291,400 51 23,976,500 52 25,996,300 53 28,118,100 54 46,090,700 55 33,568,400 56 36,043,600 57 38,631,000 58 41,333,000 59 64,689,900 60 48,152,500 He didn't say what race/class he was so let's assume he has no experience penalties at all. He would need 469,000 experience to completely finish 13. He got through 4.5 out of 5 yellows which is 90% of the level. 469,000 x .9 = 422,000 exp gained. Divide that by the 87 gnoll fangs he used and you get 4851 exp per fang. This is 1/3 to 1/4 of what it gives now (19-20k each) which is similar to my other finding. | ||
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The post right below his. "I found that for about a level 5 character the exp gotten from the teeth things hels alot. I turned in 12 teeth to captain Tillin on the balcony and I went up a full level up to level 6."
Let's do the math. Again assuming no race/class penalties. Experience needed from 5 to 6 = 61,000. Divide that by 12 fangs and you get 5083 exp per fang. Very close to the other two samples. | ||
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