XP penalty really that nasty?

[Caridry]

so me and a friend are starting together, and i finally figured out what i would be doing which was making a SK (for SK/shaman group duo) and leveling with him while he was on, and leveling a necro in my own time or when we are on seperately... but it looks like i will be playing the SK full time since i will be getting half the xp as him? Thats a little harsh... or does it even it and i wont really be able to notice it?

[Estu]

In a group, the EXP penalties/bonuses are split amongst the group members so that everyone levels at the same rate. So you won't have to play your SK any more than he plays his shaman.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a group, the EXP penalties/bonuses are split amongst the group members so that everyone levels at the same rate. So you won't have to play your SK any more than he plays his shaman.

This is not true.

If you both start at 0 experience and every time you get experience, you are grouped your friend will start to pull away pretty early. The EXP penalty does not affect how much EXP you RECEIVE from killing a monster, it only affects how much EXP you need to be the next level.

Also, EXP is distributed according to EXP totals. So if you have 1000 exp, and your friend has 500 exp, you will get more EXP per kill than your friend will.

Lets take a look at it. You start an SK and your friend starts a shaman. I haven't done the math so i don't know the true EXP values or their relative distances from one another so I will use nice round numbers here to illustrate the mechanics and this model should not be used to calculate the real values of exp given/required.

Lets assume an SK (with exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
120 to be level 2,
240 to be level 3,
360 to be level 4,
480 to be level 5,
600 to be level 6.

A shaman (in this model, no exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
100 to be level 2,
200 to be level 3,
300 to be level 4,
400 to be level 5,
500 to be level 6.

If you are both starting together at 0 exp and ONLY exp together, exp totals will always be the same so exp will be divided evenly between the two of you. So lets say you've gone out and killed a few monsters and now you both have 110 experience. The shaman will be level 2, but the SK will still be level 1, even though the EXP totals are the same. You kill a few more monsters and now you each have 340 experience. The shaman is level 4, but the SK is still level 3. And finally, after a few more monsters, both of you have 500 exp. The shaman is now level 6, but the SK is still level 4.

When people talk about the hybrid exp penalty being shared with the group, they are typically grouping with a hybrid at or near their level. As we have seen in the model above, a level 6 SK has much more total experience than a level 6 shaman, and since exp is distributed in proportion to your exp total, the hybrid will draw off more exp from a mob than a similarly leveled shaman. The good example is gravity. EXP totals determine how strong your gravity is, when a mob dies, the person with the strongest gravity gets the most EXP, 2nd gets the 2nd most and so on down the list.

Hope this helps.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets assume an SK (with exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
120 to be level 2,
240 to be level 3,
360 to be level 4,
480 to be level 5,
600 to be level 6.

A shaman (in this model, no exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
100 to be level 2,
200 to be level 3,
300 to be level 4,
400 to be level 5,
500 to be level 6.

Actually it would be much worse than that, hybrids having a 40% exp penalty and not 20%.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually it would be much worse than that, hybrids having a 40% exp penalty and not 20%.

This is true. I just pulled the numbers out of my ass to illustrate the difference.

Nen, some people can't be bothered to click links so I just typed a quick down and dirty guide. Sorry if I offended you.

[Etris]

Caridry!

My buddy and I are starting up as well as soon as I get my hands on a Titanium copy.

It'd be fun to party with some newbies on the journey to 60. Find me in game! Name will hopefully be Etris / Etros.

I believe we're both going pure dps. Monk / Rogue or Monk / Wizard. Not sure yet. But I think teleport would help our group out.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not true.

If you both start at 0 experience and every time you get experience, you are grouped your friend will start to pull away pretty early. The EXP penalty does not affect how much EXP you RECEIVE from killing a monster, it only affects how much EXP you need to be the next level.

Also, EXP is distributed according to EXP totals. So if you have 1000 exp, and your friend has 500 exp, you will get more EXP per kill than your friend will.

Lets take a look at it. You start an SK and your friend starts a shaman. I haven't done the math so i don't know the true EXP values or their relative distances from one another so I will use nice round numbers here to illustrate the mechanics and this model should not be used to calculate the real values of exp given/required.

Lets assume an SK (with exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
120 to be level 2,
240 to be level 3,
360 to be level 4,
480 to be level 5,
600 to be level 6.

A shaman (in this model, no exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
100 to be level 2,
200 to be level 3,
300 to be level 4,
400 to be level 5,
500 to be level 6.

If you are both starting together at 0 exp and ONLY exp together, exp totals will always be the same so exp will be divided evenly between the two of you. So lets say you've gone out and killed a few monsters and now you both have 110 experience. The shaman will be level 2, but the SK will still be level 1, even though the EXP totals are the same. You kill a few more monsters and now you each have 340 experience. The shaman is level 4, but the SK is still level 3. And finally, after a few more monsters, both of you have 500 exp. The shaman is now level 6, but the SK is still level 4.

When people talk about the hybrid exp penalty being shared with the group, they are typically grouping with a hybrid at or near their level. As we have seen in the model above, a level 6 SK has much more total experience than a level 6 shaman, and since exp is distributed in proportion to your exp total, the hybrid will draw off more exp from a mob than a similarly leveled shaman. The good example is gravity. EXP totals determine how strong your gravity is, when a mob dies, the person with the strongest gravity gets the most EXP, 2nd gets the 2nd most and so on down the list.

Hope this helps.

Valid point. Solution: you and your friend both hit level 2 separately, then group from then on and level at the same rate.

[Caridry]

we will probably be leveling up to 10-15 on our own, then merging... i dont know, i just dont want him to leave me in the dust when we are leveling together.... and i still want a good opportunity to play my necro.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Valid point. Solution: you and your friend both hit level 2 separately, then group from then on and level at the same rate.

Lol I think someone failed math.

Originally Posted by Caridry [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we will probably be leveling up to 10-15 on our own, then merging... i dont know, i just dont want him to leave me in the dust when we are leveling together.... and i still want a good opportunity to play my necro.

Solution: you play approximately 40% more than him. Plus necro.

[NenshouStar]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not true.

If you both start at 0 experience and every time you get experience, you are grouped your friend will start to pull away pretty early. The EXP penalty does not affect how much EXP you RECEIVE from killing a monster, it only affects how much EXP you need to be the next level.

Also, EXP is distributed according to EXP totals. So if you have 1000 exp, and your friend has 500 exp, you will get more EXP per kill than your friend will.

Lets take a look at it. You start an SK and your friend starts a shaman. I haven't done the math so i don't know the true EXP values or their relative distances from one another so I will use nice round numbers here to illustrate the mechanics and this model should not be used to calculate the real values of exp given/required.

Lets assume an SK (with exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
120 to be level 2,
240 to be level 3,
360 to be level 4,
480 to be level 5,
600 to be level 6.

A shaman (in this model, no exp penalty) needs:
0 exp to be level 1,
100 to be level 2,
200 to be level 3,
300 to be level 4,
400 to be level 5,
500 to be level 6.

If you are both starting together at 0 exp and ONLY exp together, exp totals will always be the same so exp will be divided evenly between the two of you. So lets say you've gone out and killed a few monsters and now you both have 110 experience. The shaman will be level 2, but the SK will still be level 1, even though the EXP totals are the same. You kill a few more monsters and now you each have 340 experience. The shaman is level 4, but the SK is still level 3. And finally, after a few more monsters, both of you have 500 exp. The shaman is now level 6, but the SK is still level 4.

When people talk about the hybrid exp penalty being shared with the group, they are typically grouping with a hybrid at or near their level. As we have seen in the model above, a level 6 SK has much more total experience than a level 6 shaman, and since exp is distributed in proportion to your exp total, the hybrid will draw off more exp from a mob than a similarly leveled shaman. The good example is gravity. EXP totals determine how strong your gravity is, when a mob dies, the person with the strongest gravity gets the most EXP, 2nd gets the 2nd most and so on down the list.

Hope this helps.

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.ph...perience_Works