Concerning cameras

[Tecmos Deception]

Is mouse-wheel zoom back going to remain on green at launch (and/or forever)? I thought it was going bye bye.

And on that note, I started playing with the camera options you can cycle through with F9 and rebound them all to specific keys and was toying with the different ways you can manipulate those views. You can basically get an improved (though finicky to master) version of the "mouse-wheel zoom back view" with the other options available in the client as is right now anyway, and I'm learning some of the others views can be great for a lot more than just taking screenshots or watching a wide angle for kos pathers while you're medding (especially with tweaking the angles/zoom)!

Are things like adjusting the up-down angle of the other F9 camera views, zooming them in and out, shifting them left and right, rebinding the views to specific keys, etc., are those all classic controls too? Or should those also be axed?

[flacidpenguin]

Play in first person for the classic feel, it's easier for you to just not scroll out than for them to deeply modify the client camera system.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by flacidpenguin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play in first person for the classic feel, it's easier for you to just not scroll out than for them to deeply modify the client camera system.

P99 isn't about "easy": if either the devs OR the players stuck to "easy", this place would be deserted and everyone would be on live [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the more relevant question is whether it's doable, and personally I haven't seen a staff response one way or the other on removing it.

[Deathrydar]

Not game breaking so, whatever.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by flacidpenguin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play in first person for the classic feel, it's easier for you to just not scroll out than for them to deeply modify the client camera system.

I used first person in classic as a chanter, but it was far from my only view. Which is basically how I have always played on p99 as a chanter. It didn't take a rocket scientist to realize CC was easier when you could see more of the battlefield and could more easily select the right targets in the background and whatnot.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by flacidpenguin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play in first person for the classic feel, it's easier for you to just not scroll out than for them to deeply modify the client camera system.

This blueb dies from trains on the daily

[Gustoo]

Everything but the mouse wheel scroll was classic in my memory.

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything but the mouse wheel scroll was classic in my memory.

September 25, 2001 3:00 am
Mouselook will now work a little differently when in the first two
third-person camera modes (overhead and chase). They will work similarly to first-person mouselook (i.e. your character's heading will change when you move the mouse left or right, the left and right movement keys will cause your player to strafe, and the camera angle will pitch up or down when you move the mouse forward or back). These changes should make those first two third-person camera modes more useful.

Third person camera sucked for over 2 years, that's why most people used first person a lot.

In this post, Secrets mentioned he may try to help recreate classic 3rd person, not sure if he wound up working on it at all
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=116

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like something I'll cook up this weekend and submit for Green.

I know exactly the situation this is referencing. Would be great to have it era locked.

[Tecmos Deception]

September 25, 2001 3:00 am
Mouselook will now work a little differently when in the first two
third-person camera modes (overhead and chase). They will work similarly to first-person mouselook (i.e. your character's heading will change when you move the mouse left or right, the left and right movement keys will cause your player to strafe, and the camera angle will pitch up or down when you move the mouse forward or back). These changes should make those first two third-person camera modes more useful.

I don't know how they're supposed to work, but currently on beta, mouselook in these views does NOT let you change camera angle.

[soronil]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know how they're supposed to work, but currently on beta, mouselook in these views does NOT let you change camera angle.

Not sure what's wrong with your client, but my green beta client behaves exactly as blue has always behaved:
Mousewheel zoom out.
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + move mouse left / right = heading changes
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + move mouse up / down = camera angle changes
Mouselook (hold right mouse button) + keyboard left / right = strafe

This is the EXACT behavior that the patch notes descibe as being introduced in 2001. It is not classic and it makes the game MUCH easier, because:

3rd person gives you more situational awareness
classic 3rd person had the disadvantage of being very clunky to control

So in classic, 1st person vs 3rd person is a trade off. Many people played 1st person. The way p99 is now, 3rd person is really superior for all but immersion.