Game Mechanics: Bladestopper Using Reagents

[Daldaen]

It shouldn't burn Reagents.

There was also a discussion on another emulated server (TAK Project) about Instant clickies in general. Basically, spells perform the reagent check during the casting phase of a spell, and either succeed+eat reagent/fail+give no reagent message based on the result of this check. However in the case of instant casts, there is no cast phase and the client was unable to perform the check and the spell goes through with no reagent check being performed.

Regarding Bladestopper specifically:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=1136

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#Mar 19 2001 at 10:31 AMRating: Decent
BigPimpinRan
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Ummmmm....I have a bladestopper, and it doesn't need a component, and its almost instant casting time too. This shield is everything you want it to be, just like the name says, it stops blades, and clubs, and daggers....

[Man0warr]

So your saying clickies with cast times should require Reagents? Because Lev cloak doesn't (and shouldn't).

Pretty sure PoSky instant clickies require reagents too - for sure the Wizard ring and necklace.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your saying clickies with cast times should require Reagents? Because Lev cloak doesn't (and shouldn't).

Pretty sure PoSky instant clickies require reagents too - for sure the Wizard ring and necklace.

No he is saying that items that have reagent costs and are instaclick shouldnt be using the reagents due a instaclick spell not having a reagent check.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your saying clickies with cast times should require Reagents? Because Lev cloak doesn't (and shouldn't).

Pretty sure PoSky instant clickies require reagents too - for sure the Wizard ring and necklace.

I'm suggesting the PoSky clickies you refer to probably shouldn't use reagents, because of what I said above.

The reagent check is performed during casting. With instant cast time there is no casting phase so the check is never done and no reagent is consumed. At least that's how it was on the old client.

It would also explain why magician's summon waterstone and ring of flight don't use reagents for EB/Levitate. Because they are instant cast. Yet shaman potions and other clicks that aren't instant, do use reagents.

Pegasus Cloak, uses Levitation. This is a spell with no reagent. Levitate, the spell casters and priests get, is an entirely different spell and it requires a bat wing reagent. This is why you can stack Levitation and Levitate, they are different spell effects in different slots.

[Pint]

Possibility of wizard neck not requiring sky stones you say? Yes plz

[eisley]

Originally Posted by Luniz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Levitate potions from alchemy require a batwing

Druid boots require a batwing

what is this madness

Originally Posted by Daldaen

Pegasus Cloak, uses Levitation. This is a spell with no reagent. Levitate, the spell casters and priests get, is an entirely different spell and it requires a bat wing reagent. This is why you can stack Levitation and Levitate, they are different spell effects in different slots.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reagent check is performed during casting. With instant cast time there is no casting phase so the check is never done and no reagent is consumed. At least that's how it was on the old client.

It would also explain why magician's summon waterstone and ring of flight don't use reagents for EB/Levitate. Because they are instant cast. Yet shaman potions and other clicks that aren't instant, do use reagents.

Bumping. This seems to be a logical connection.

There was also a long standing issue where Bards wouldn't use reagent on any item click. I would imagine it stems from this issue here as well. Since Bards don't have actual "casting" phase, cause bard. On Mac server it was common knowledge and many Bards used the PoK Gate neck which required a reagent for everyone else, except Bards (it had a cast time).

[Ele]

05-28-2000, 05:26 AM We discussed this last night in guildchat, and its safe to assume it would use a peridot (Even though its already been confirmed a few replies up, i'll say this anyways) There are a lot of items in the game that cast spells which normally require reagents (Mystic Cloak, Bladestopper are two examples that fit this first category) They are both *limited* charge items, and don't use a reagent to cast, seems to be the same with anything that proc's a reagent requiring spell, its not on demand, so its of less value, same with limited charge items. However, the Diamond Rod from Innoruuk does require a reagent, and it is in the same category as the leggings, on demand, and unlimited usage.

Discussion on whether or not Donal's Legs were real or not.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...peridot&page=2

[Daldaen]

Again. Examples of instant cast items not using vs timed cast items using. Thanks for the extra evidence Ele.

[Daldaen]

List:

Instant Casts:

Mystic Cloak - Doesn't use reagent in P99 (Correct)
Summoned: Waterstone - Doesn't use reagent in P99 (Correct)
Summoned: Ring of Flight - Doesn't use reagent in P99 (Correct)

Solidate Mithril Ring - Uses reagent in P99 (Wrong)
Amulet of Planar Transference - Uses reagent in P99 (Wrong)
Bloody Griffon Hide Wrist-Guard - Uses reagent in P99 (Wrong)
Bladestopper - Uses reagent in P99 (Wrong)

Moss Mask - ???
Riptide Spear - ???
Drum of the Beasts (Vel.) - ???
Fish Gill Extract - ???
Rod of the Protecting Winds - ???
Crypt Master's Conjuring Stone (Chardok 2.0) - ???

That's all I could find as far as classic Rune, Symbol, EB, Lev, And any other reagent using spell I could think of.

Update if you happen to know about the ??? Items.