Why did you bring up Fansy? The "bardburn" bug he abused in RV needed the charmed NPC to stay in agro range of PoD. Running doesn't really come into play there.
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Your talking about balance, I'm talking about classic, if you Nerf Highsun to it's correct state of landing and Leave pillar of frost unlimited range you might as well delete the bard class because you just ended any chance of them pvping solo.
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Sounds like we're both talking about balance. In an ideal world, Highsun and AE nuke range would both be fixed. Bards would not be made useless if they were fixed first, though. Stop with the alarmist rhetoric.
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18 seconds seems like a long time BUT not when your charming in pvp, I have to grab the mob and even tho I'm fast the mob is not, then I have to run to the player and get close enough for my mob to run after him when I press pet attack. Now in 18 seconds that= 1-2 swings of mob before he's back on me, IF he even reaches the target. And no the spell was never changed it always worked that way up to 1 min duration could break at any time and Enchanters charm can last up to 20 mins so how does 1 minute seem long to you lol? It's not like I can buff the mob like enchanters can so he can just be dispelled.
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NPCs don't have to stay charmed for you to pull them around zones. And it really shouldn't be simple for a bard to charm something for use in pvp, considering they have tools like Selo's, the ability to cast while moving, mez, snare, and a 3 second cast time charm. I think maybe even if this song lasted up to 1 minute in classic, it should remain 18 seconds here. With an enchanter you can dispell their charm and it quickly becomes an ordeal for them to get control of things again, but with a bard the process of re-charming is much simpler.
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If you were fighting a bard on live 9 times out of 10 he charmed something onto you, When's the last time you saw a bard charm something into someone HERE, I rest my case.
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I haven't really seen many bards here, but each time I did in a 1v1 setting they locked me down with mez or stuns and had no need to charm. Why risk training yourself when you'll win regardless?
/pet attack range should be longer, but this is a pve and pvp change, and affects all pet classes.
EDIT: The more I think about it, the more I think you're right about 39 charm always being 1 minute in classic. I don't care enough to look for proof because it doesn't really change the effectiveness of the spell much at all in practice (even for PvE), but I bet if you could find clear evidence of it and write up a bug report without insulting him, nilbog would change it.