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Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen 5 hours early and claimed Nagafen. Proving that they were willing to operate under the system as long as it benefited them.
-Timeline is missing the fact that IB also showed up to Nagafen after Trans had been there for 14 hours early. Also missing the fact that you guys decided that the system that you guys were operating under should no longer apply to you.

We never agreed to any system. There was one talked about but it was never agreed to because Allizia wanted the second guild to wait outside the zone and we wouldn't agree to that (as a guild).

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard plenty of whining from IB when Trans started showing up 8++ Hours in advance for a spawn. In fact, that was the entire reason you guys decided you didn't want to follow the system anymore.

There was no system, we never agreed to any system.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys decided that the rules didn't apply to you

There was no system, we never agreed to any system.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..and wanted to just "engage first." You decided you wanted to write the server rules, sorry that isn't going to fly.

Maybe if *you* had written some server rules, we wouldn't have had to.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way to get you guys to abide by these rules is with some form of leverage. That leverage was a 14-day ban. Ever since the rotation was announced, I have been very clear that we would be open to further suggestions and systems that people wanted to propose. Up until today the only suggestions we have really been told were, "Who ever engages first and does the most damage should get it!" Uhhh. Ya. No.

I honestly have nothing to say about this, as it is pretty much on target.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are a PVE server, we need some form of order here on this server.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds to me like you have a severe case of PVP-Mentality.

Wenai, honestly, if you think the mentality we've shown is severely PvP, you're a carebear. We're trying to compete with, not kill, trans. I think you're under a lot of false assumptions as far as what our positions are, and if you had ever bothered to talk to us, you would know that. Unfortunately our only communications with you has been you joining our guild to inform us of how it was going to be.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as I know, VZ/TZ is doing a fresh wipe. I suggest you guys check it out

I herd that advertising for other servers wasn't allowed here. BAN!!

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because your ethics aren't going to fly here.

FUCKING ROFFLECOPTERS!!! You are SERIOUSLY accusing _US_ of having faulty ethics while you ignore and defend PROVEN EXPLOITERS ON YOUR GM STAFF AND IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE GUILD YOU ARE CATERING TO?!?!? Sounds like YOU need to put the pocket dictionary down and maybe attend a class on ethics so that you might have the hope of having some clue of the meaning of the words you throw around in ignorance.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

KSing, not respecting camps and not respecting your fellow players are not viable options here.

We do NOT KS, we DO respect camps, and we DO respect our fellow players to the extent that they respect US. This has been shown time and time again and if you cannot see that you are BLIND. If there has been issue, it is because the GM staff has dragged ass on giving us some server rules and forced us to try and help shape them ourselves and THEN RIDICULES US FOR ATTEMPTING TO DO SO. We are sorry we haven't come to the forums to engage in your carebear tea party, but we've been busy levelling, farming, raiding, and helping people to bother. We've preferred to lead by precedent in the past, but obviously that is not going to work, so I for one will be much more vocal on the forums from now on to try and work this out. But Wenai do not fucking accuse us of shit that didn't happen. If you do, bring proof. Oh, wait, you have NONE, so tits or gtfo imho.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. If I left it up to the guilds, and your "first to engage" system, we would have 50-60 people sitting on top of Naggy's spawn point. With no one sure who really tagged it first. Then when it is all said and done, it turns out one Guild KS'd the other, you call for a GM to come revoke and re-distribute the loot dropped. Seriously dude, if you think everything would be roses; you are dead wrong.

Honestly, I completely agree.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet you showed such bad faith when you attempted to go outside the current system

Every time you try and say there was a system from now on, I am going to retort that there was no system.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is the thing about a system. If you start following it, you have to keep following it. Unfortunately you decided (as a guild apparently) that it was alright to go outside of the system that both guilds had been following for a few weeks

There was no system. We never agreed to any system.
The facts HAPPEN to have fallen into place as if we were following a system, and so your timeline elements are correct, but no such system existed.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want to know why the rotation was a priority? I have had a rather peaceful week and a half because there was no fighting over the spawns. There was no one asking me to come watch the raid and make sure nothing shady happened.

Cute.
I guess when it's your buddies doing the shady shit (exploiting encounters, GM's not repopping mobs that are obviously broken) then it's not worth your time to look in to?

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol? Rather than giving it time to play out? We gave it probably three weeks or more.

This was none of our faults, but it needs to be recognized that those two weeks were fraught with issues on the spawns and ddos attacks. We didn't really get a fair shake to work it out on an even playing field.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What more do you want?

I want you to do your job. Punish the people taking unfair advantage of the system and blatantly scoffing at GM edicts while simultaneously blaming us for their issues.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had enough of asking you guys to play nice. Both parties have acted like complete children at one point or another.

You're right, and some of us in Inglourious Basterds who have been letting our less restrained members speak for us are acting now for change. I can only say wait and see to this, but I hope for better in the future.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess this is your guys' turn to wear the tin foil hat.

You can't seriously be implying that there is some kind of similarity between the kind of completely unfounded, totally baseless, and 100% unsupported slew of outright lies and blatant speculation that trans harped on for WEEKS about GM favoritism, hacks, and exploiting and the EVIDENCE we have provided to the leadership of this server regarding the obviously exploitative methods that GM-led trans used in the recent past to obtain loot from at least two boss encounters. I really thought your critical thinking skills were better than this Wenai, your posts are usually pretty well thought-out.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will. With the rotation in place, perhaps I will actually have time to look at issues at hand instead of babysitting you guys every few nights whenever a mob spawns.

By your own admission, you had a half a week of peace before evidence was placed at your feet on a silver platter and you've had a week of peace since, and yet nothing has been done.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is really getting old.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have a chance to get rid of the rotation. You have a chance to help develop a system that we feel is fair. Grasp that chance. Embrace it. Make it the best you can that emphasizes competition and fairness.

I've posted an alternative system here. Please review it and say what you think.