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Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is scientific evidence of Gods involvement all over the place. All science even does is reverse engineer the systems which govern the universe. Where did these things come from? The only logical conclusion is that they came from a being of infinite intelligence. There is a direct relationship between how complex something is and how intelligent the person that made it is. For instance look at the difference between cars now and cars when they were first invented. Now that we have become more intelligent and have a far better understanding of how things like aerodynamics, engines etc work, we are able to make much better cars. This same logic can literally be applied to every single thing a human has ever made proving there is a direct correlation between complexity and intelligence.

You're banned from using the word logic. You didn't use it correctly before, you are still not using it correctly now.
Having a magical "answer" (it's in quotes because it's not actually an answer) to every single solitary unknown is the very thing that logic prevents intelligent people from having. You don't just leave a problem with all of the variables unsolved and call the problem solved, you also don't change all of those variables into ones and call it solved either. That's as illogical of a conclusion that can possibly be reached.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now let's take a look at a star. Essentially it's just a massive self-sustaining nuclear reactor that is capable of generating energy for billions of years. Scientists have been able to reverse engineer the processes that allow a star to do what it does, only on a much smaller and far less efficient scale. The more we learn about nuclear fission and other related sciences the better the nuclear reactor we are able to make. So knowing that a star is really just a much more advanced version of a nuclear reactor that man is capable of making, doesn't it stand to reason that it was created by a much more intelligent being? I know common sense and atheists go together like oil and water but seriously this is such basic shit that even a 1st grader could grasp it.

Fusion and Fission are two very different things (they are actually the exact opposite of one another). Einstein did not reverse engineer a star to create the first nuclear reactor, he used the scientific method and extrapolated upon knowledge that already existed using a method of weeding out the bad information both which already existed and had come up in his own theories only to be left with information that was testable and provable and most importantly, worked.

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inserting God into the equation has nothing to do with our lack of understanding something but actually the exact opposite. We have such a good understanding that the only way most things are even possible is there HAS to be a being with seemingly infinite intelligence. How can something so unbelievably advanced like a star, just form randomly and for no reason? Nuclear fission requires an extremely advanced knowledge of multiple scientific fields and requires extremely precise calculations, so precise in fact that you literally have to be completely brain dead to think it could ever happen by chance.

We can see them forming in nebulae right now, gravity is not "random", and taking an excess of 'x' amount of hydrogen and allowing gravity to do the rest is not something that takes complex or precise calculations to happen.
Stop talking about scientific fields as if you know anything about them because you have proven yet again that you know absolutely nothing about any of these subjects.

You've also yet to provide one single shred of evidence.
"Hey look around", "It's obvious", "logically, (insert barf of illogic here)" are not evidence.