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Old 04-23-2013, 04:41 PM
SirAlvarex SirAlvarex is offline
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Enchanters definitely get better haste from a per % standpoint. But Bard Epic haste adds +30 to attack (according to wiki...can't get my epic till Undead Bard), and Bards also get Haste v2 in Velious, which might not really matter that much since everyone on this server is already geared to the point where they can already reach max haste.

No doubt a chanter can keep 10 mobs locked down pretty well, but a Bard can keep 6 locked down indefinitely since mez doesn't take any mana. They can also get rez'd in a raid and immediately go into CC mode while a chanter has to have something to tap before they can get started.

You guys know your chanters, so I won't mention the obvious awesomeness they posses, however you missed out on a few things Bards have that chanters don't quite have access to:

* Buff resists by over 80 (150 for magic)
* An unlimited target AE snare/slow/fear, which makes it possible to snap aggro a train to save your guild during a raid (think Fear raids)
* Unlimited target AE DoTs, which as everyone already realizes allows for pretty quick leveling
* Group DA (haven't reach 60 yet, so not quite sure how awesome this one is)
* 3-second manaless mez, which doubles as a casting mob stopper (assuming no-resists, which I assume Chanters would have to deal with aswell?)
* Can cast said spells/song on the run, which isn't as big a deal for some of the better chanters who know how to use AE stun, but it's a big deal in lower level groups (pre-50)
* Until the next patch, can single pull any mob that can't see through hide.
* Until the next patch, can sneak/hide/invis through dungeons like a rogue for CR's
* Highsun is important for finding placeholders in large outdoor zones (Quillmane cycle, Skyfire Named cycle)
* Single Target Debuffs for each resist type.
* They have track

As for the dispell, Bards get a group dispell (which I've never used) and a 4-slot single target dispell. Or atleast according to the spell data it's 4-slot.

Does chanter lull require Line of Sight? Never tried it, but bard lull doesn't require a LoS.

And Chanters have the winning formula on stuns. There are 2 AE stuns right? Bards only get 1, and it's at 59.

But yeah, I basically mentioned "how to use the tools" while mostly the things mentioned so far is "what are their tools", as I'm sure enchanters can stack some of their debuffs/stuns in a way that make others just hang their head in shame.

And no, I'm not saying Chanters suck. Nor am I saying Bards are better, because obviously I won't convince anyone of that hah. But a well played Bard can do just as well in a non-solo environment [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] . They can do a little bit of everything that's required.

Well, that's mostly because I never really tried to solo in dungeons...but with a well timed bard charm I did alright in testing in LGuk.

Seriously tho, didn't mean to turn this into a Bard thread, just wanted to point out the omission in the list of OP classes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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