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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus
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Given the severity of a raid suspension, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it would be prudent for the decision maker to do some fact finding.
If it can be reasonably shown that the leadership knew and blessed the obvious abuse of an IP exemption, yes you can put a raid suspension onto the list of possible outcomes. That is not in dispute.
Note: I am NOT commenting as to whether or not TMO's leadership knew of and supported such uses. I was not there, and I am in no position to draw conclusions on that question of fact. I am merely elaborating on what I feel is due process in producing an outcome for the situation.
What I take issue with is the notion that incidental beneficiaries should be punished for actions that were not controlled by them. For example, if it is shown that Aiaus was acting along and surreptitiously, then it would be unfair to issue punishments to the rest of the guild. If you're going to assign vicarious liability ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior), it must be fairly done.
A prime example of an unfair application would be Perun's ninja looting of CT. To punish all of IB for Perun's actions, which clearly exceeded his authority and right, was unjust. (See: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...5&postcount=79) |
The actions of TMO members and leadership casts a direct light on every other member in the guild. The same applies to FE, and any other voluntary establishment.
It seems that TMO members such as yourself are continually bemoaning the fact that your peers and your guilds leadership actions have reflected upon you poorly and so you resort to coming to these very forums, to this specific sub-forum, designed for rants and flames, in order to defend yourselves and ask that you not be punished as a whole for an individuals action. Yet you still remain guilded.
Members such as yourself openly speak out and voice your dissent in matters that you don't agree with, yet you
willingly continue to remain a member of this guild, knowing full well that it can only tarnish your very own reputation. Yet you still remain guilded.
So I ask you, being the reasonable man you claim to be, what exactly is it you want of us? Forgiveness for willingly being a member of a guild that exploits game mechanics, has a leader that openly states he loves training and griefing players from other guilds, and officers who openly flaunt your guild's coffers to taunt opposing players?
The only thing you come close to deserving deserve is is pity, but that would be unreasonable, since you could leave under your own will at any time.
You've made your bed, now lie in it.