For self defense:
In no first world country (or most others for that matter) which allows guns is the right to use them in self defense intended to apply to the government, no matter how severe the mistreatment. Those are the simple (and proven) facts on the matter. Even if the cops in the picture above had been shot by a concerned citizen, i guarantee you in this and that society the shooter would be dead.
If the goverment came to take your guns, illegally or not, and you shot first you are in the wrong under modern day laws. Period. Its the corner youre driven into.
The only use people who claim they are self defense weapons against a government is for violent, armed overthrow, not defense.
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